Interesting. The extreme "feel" is why I didn't like the tremsetter, I might give this a try on a future build.
It's still there, but I'd say it's worth a shot. I think everything is softer than the original Tremsetters.
Interesting. The extreme "feel" is why I didn't like the tremsetter, I might give this a try on a future build.
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I'm the same. I don't worry about it. I actually like the out of tune it creates, personally, but in the rare instance I do really want that fighting/beating tension of the doublestop then I will use the right hand pressure technique to compensate. I use all 5 springs at high tension by the way, so even if I bend the 6th string and have an open 7th it only dives by about a 1/4 step anyways, so correcting it takes very little right hand pressure.You can adjust your technique to compensate too... By applying pressure with the side of your hand to the bridge slightly as you bend. Practice for this would be do the double stop bend while applying this technique, and only play the non bent string. This will give you a gauge as to how much pressure to apply. Only takes a small bit of practice to nail it.
I just dont worry about it, personally. Still sounds in tune enough without doing anything about it (shrug)
Satriani may be using one of the old Ibanez treb stabilizers, he may be bending both notes in the double stop to keep them ringing out in tune (his bending control really is excellent), or it's possible that he's holding the bar itself and applying vibrato there to stabilize/mask any trem movement.Hi Andi. Next time you're in a music store, ask to try a '17 or newer era JS24xx guitar. If you can make that work on this trem, you have AMAZING technique!!! And as I mentioned, Joe Satch has SOMETHING in place, don't know, but his axe plays like a freakin' Les Paul stop tailpiece when he bends, LOL
Honestly, while I actually don't do a ton of compound bends (something I realized while jamming along to something last night, actually), it really isn't hard to just press on the trem with your palm to counteract the pull as you bend - give it a try. When I'm playing something that DOES involve compound bends, and when I'm not locking my trem beforehand, this is what I do, and it works pretty well.I'm rethinking what I see in the Satch video. Maybe he's not simply adding vibrato to that bend, but also pulling up slightly on the bar, as a few of you have already suggested. If I'm honest, I still don't have the heart to "compromise" the trem feel on either of my Ibanez's by installing a fix for the de-tuning. I think I'm going to have a real shot @ using the trem bar to 'help' the lower string stay in pitch, while also using left-hand technique to complete the equation. For me the MOST important thing is to have the axe go back into perfect tune after whammy gymnastics. And I've already seen a post about how these devices can slightly compromise this. I've been watching some Dann Huff lately and that kind of soulful whammy really appeals to me. These things are perfection from the factory. I'm gonna put my all into a 'technique fix' for this issue before I install anything other than an allen key holder, LOL
Just Fyi, regular Ibanez LoPro bars can break too when using 5 springs. I've broke a couple bars and hardly even use tremolo's and rarely dive, and that's when they break and dent your guitar. Each time it happens it can physically hurt you bad because of released tension. If you dive bomb much I wouldn't recommend high tension because it's actually pretty dangerous. Maybe one of those Red Bishops is stronger? They're hand made so maybe they're steel, which would be way stronger than an Ibanez bar if they are made of steel. Ibanez bars are just made of nickel palted zonc or something like that. I've been eyeing them a long time, those Red Bishops. Maybe somebody knows.Well here I am again... I also looked into the Tremel-NO. I watched an installation vid. Their website is really good, with FAQ's, and fitment options, cute jokes... but one thing they don't tell you, in case you didn't realize the obvious: you aren't able to set/release this gizmo on the fly. You decide if you want floating trem, dive-only trem, or NO trem... BEFORE you play the song. (Oh well I guess if you leave the back cover off you can get good @ slipping your hand up your axe's arse and loosening/tightening the thing quickly.) After seeing Paul Gilbert switch from slide to no slide in an instant, and Tommy Emmanuel apply/chuck his capo in the space of a 16th note, I guess anything's possible...
But as far as I can determine after inspecting the use and install of the Tremel-NO gadget via the web, one truth does not change with the Tremel-NO: Unless the device is totally LOCKED, it's STILL the trem spring tension which determines whether or not you can bend w/out detuning.
I'm ordering a regular whammy bar for my JS2410. This forum educated me (somewhere, maybe in this thread?) that the Ibanez Edge Ultralight bar can break if you use it like an animal. That bar is $100 to replace. I'd rather crank up my tension, use the ESP Arming Adjuster, and fit a reg bar. Or... glue a piece of clothespin to keep the whammy from moving sharp at all, like I did w/the first Floyd I owned, on my 1985 Jackson RR USA. Bend to my heart's content, dive live an animal, come back to perfect tune. But... fingers were black and blue where the bar was held in between, when I was recording for extended periods. Tension was HIGH, LOL!
There's only one solution I can see that allows for light spring tension, AND no detuning. And that's the MagLok. If the MagLok really allows the vibrato mechanism to come back into tune perfectly after sirius whammy shenanigans - it's a most amazing device.
Sorry for all the 'conjecture', but I haven't been playing hardly at all over the last year, so I still haven't installed / experimented w/these, ferreal.
IT'S THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING THREAD! heh... Red Bishop bars are quality. i have one on an 8 string floyd and i abuse the ever living hell out of it. no breaks and stays tight forever. do recommendJust Fyi, regular Ibanez LoPro bars can break too when using 5 springs. I've broke a couple bars and hardly even use tremolo's and rarely dive, and that's when they break and dent your guitar. Each time it happens it can physically hurt you bad because of released tension. If you dive bomb much I wouldn't recommend high tension because it's actually pretty dangerous. Maybe one of those Red Bishops is stronger? They're hand made so maybe they're steel, which would be way stronger than an Ibanez bar if they are made of steel. Ibanez bars are just made of nickel palted zonc or something like that. I've been eyeing them a long time, those Red Bishops. Maybe somebody knows.
Just Fyi, regular Ibanez LoPro bars can break too when using 5 springs. I've broke a couple bars and hardly even use tremolo's and rarely dive, and that's when they break and dent your guitar. Each time it happens it can physically hurt you bad because of released tension. If you dive bomb much I wouldn't recommend high tension because it's actually pretty dangerous. Maybe one of those Red Bishops is stronger? They're hand made so maybe they're steel, which would be way stronger than an Ibanez bar if they are made of steel. Ibanez bars are just made of nickel palted zonc or something like that. I've been eyeing them a long time, those Red Bishops. Maybe somebody knows.