Boss GT-10 thoughts?

[Scoop_89]

I'm beginning to have second thoughts about my G-major. I bought it a month ago and since then my main issue has been getting the g-major and a od/ds pedal to work with just one button click. Along with that I'm searching for a good distorted sound and I'm checking out the Boss GT-10 on the net which seems to be what I need: A bunch of od/ds sounds with effects and a compact pedalboard that can manage the lot.

I've heard some people here saying that boss gt works very well with ENGL amps. And that would be great

Anyone got any advice on the matter? I'm considering trading my g-major and g-minor for a gt-10.

Thoughts?

 

[JJ Rodriguez]

Why would you want the distortion on the GT-10 when you have a Fireball? I hated my G-Major when I first got it because I had no idea how to program it. After I learned how to program it I ditched my GT-6. Basically I found the GT-6, which was A LOT easier to program, sucked way too much of my tone. It made everything sound overly processed, even on dry patches.

What are you running for an OD? I'm assuming since you're talking about one button to change patches and turn on your OD, you have a rack mounted Bloody Murder. Just read the manual, and look for how to use the relays in your patches, and it should work.

I say give it another go dude.

 

[march]

I had been looking a lot at the GT-10, to use with the 4-cable method with a 5150 (but finally saved up for an Axe-Fx instead which should be due in this week !).

Basically what really appealed to me was the amp control jack on the GT-10 to switch channels on your amp, along with the fact that you can use the Fireball (in your case) as preamp, or the GT-10 preamps on other patches (the acoustic piezo simulation patch is awesome) and so on. Plus the looper, noise gate etc ... The best thing to do is check out the manual and see what it can do for you, how to set it up etc ( BOSS GT-10 Guitar Effects Processor :: Owner's Manual )

Everything considered, it seemed to be so versatile. In fact I still want one, but my bank account won't let me ...

 

[Scoop_89]

Why would you want the distortion on the GT-10 when you have a Fireball?

Because the Fireball distortion isn't nearly enough and I would like to have a bunch of things to choose from.
My fireball isn't behaving like other fireball as it seems, because it's far from a higain monster which other people have claimed it to be.

I'm assuming since you're talking about one button to change patches and turn on your OD, you have a rack mounted Bloody Murder.

Unfortunately no. I haven't got an od of my own yet. I'm testing and borrowing stuff atm. So i can't control and od/ds device with my G-majors relay switching.


I was thinking of perhaps just use the clean channel on my Fireball with a GT-10, I don't know if that'll sound good.

 

[JJ Rodriguez]

I wouldn't go that route. I'd go with the 4 cable method, and run your Fireball as a preamp in the GT-10, and that way you can place it anywheres you like, or just run a pre-amp on the GT-10 into the power amp of your Fireball.

Personally, if your Fireball is fucked up, I'd look at getting another amp, or your Fireball fixed. If it's not as high gain as you had hoped, I'd look at a preamp tube or something because like you say, they're supposed to be fairly high gain.

Is this your first tube amp? If it is, you might not be used to it. Tube distortion sounds a lot different from solid state, or distortion pedals. When I first got my Dragon, I thought something was fucked up.

If you're going to be running a modeller and use your head as a power amp, I'd recommend just selling the Fireball and getting a tube power amp like I said, because it'd be cheaper, and simpler.

 

[TimSE]

i have one of the GT8s and i cant say a bad thing about it

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i have a bunch of samples of my sounds i use directly from it and as for live im thinking of selling my ENGL so i can use my GT8 as my entire rig

the GT10 is basically a easier and better version of the gt8

get a GT10 man! you will NOT be dissapointed
it WILL do EVERYTHING you would want to do with it

I wouldn't go that route. I'd go with the 4 cable method, and run your Fireball as a preamp in the GT-10, and that way you can place it anywheres you like, or just run a pre-amp on the GT-10 into the power amp of your Fireball.

the 4 cable method is the only way to use it properly
with the FX chain you can put everything in the order it needs to be

 

[Scoop_89]

Is this your first tube amp? If it is, you might not be used to it. Tube distortion sounds a lot different from solid state, or distortion pedals. When I first got my Dragon, I thought something was fucked up.

Yes, it's my first tube amp. But I just don't understand, what is the difference? There is not much gain on the gain channel and I'm quite addicted to extreme gain settings

Personally, if your Fireball is fucked up, I'd look at getting another amp, or your Fireball fixed. If it's not as high gain as you had hoped, I'd look at a preamp tube or something because like you say, they're supposed to be fairly high gain.

I've been thinking of a preamptube change because when I throw them around in different positions it's still not helping me very much.


Then again I thought of the GT-10 to fix all this. My idea was to use the Fireball as a poweramp and just get everything from the GT-10 or just go through the clean channel and still use the preamp of my Fireball.......

 

[JJ Rodriguez]

If you want to use pre-amp models on the GT-10, I'd say ditch the Fireball and get a power amp dude. You'll have more money to spend on other shit. Carvin TS100's can be had for a decent price.

 

[Scoop_89]

Hmm..... i don't know really. I would like to have the same satisfaction as all the other fireball users. I want to believe that my amp needs something like a tube change in order to be the higain monster everyone says that it's supposed to be.

plus, it feels like i just bought the damn thing Just a couple of months old.

 

[darren]

Using a GT-10 into the clean channel of a Fireball is like buying a Ford F-150 to tow your Ferrari around the track.

It'll work, but it really makes no sense at all.

 

[Rachmaninoff]

The GT-10 is good for everything, EXCEPT high-gain tones.
That's why, after sell my GT-8, I got a POD X3 Live, instead of the natural GT-10 choice.

 

[JJ Rodriguez]

Hmm..... i don't know really. I would like to have the same satisfaction as all the other fireball users. I want to believe that my amp needs something like a tube change in order to be the higain monster everyone says that it's supposed to be.

plus, it feels like i just bought the damn thing Just a couple of months old.

If you want the same satisfaction as other Fireball users, then you need to get your amp looked at, or retube it, or something. Using the distortion on the GT-10 into the Fireball shouldn't give you that satisfaction. You could get the same effect by running the GT-10 into a MUCH cheaper power amp, since that's basically what you're doing.

I mean, like Darren said, you CAN do it, but you're basically wasting money doing it that way, and complicating things more than they need to be.

So, in my opinion (you can do what you want since it's your cash ) you should:

A - Ditch the Fireball since you don't like it, and get a tube power amp like a Carvin TS100, or Mesa 50/50.

B - Get the Fireball looked at by a tech to see if it's messed up.


Option B is what I would do personally.

 

[Scoop_89]

Ok. I'll call the store and tell them that I would like to change the tubes and then see(hear) how it works.

I haven't found a price on carvin TS100 but other than that poweramps are really expensive.

 

[Harry]

The GT-10 is good for everything, EXCEPT high-gain tones.
That's why, after sell my GT-8, I got a POD X3 Live, instead of the natural GT-10 choice.

The high gain tones are certainly not as good as the X3 Live, but the GT-10 hardly has bad high gain tones.
The GT-8 high gain fizz was far less apparent in the GT-10.
But each to their own I guess.

 

[JJ Rodriguez]

Ok. I'll call the store and tell them that I would like to change the tubes and then see(hear) how it works.

I haven't found a price on carvin TS100 but other than that poweramps are really expensive.

No more expensive than the Fireball.

Did you buy the Fireball new or used? And if you bought it new, can you take it back to the store and get them to check it out?

 

[darren]

I have a GT-6 and i find it does high-gain tones really well. It's the low- and medium-gain tones that it struggles with at times. Roll back the volume on the guitar a bit, and you start to hear the digital "aliasing"... sort of a peculiar digital grit instead of smoother lower-gain tube breakup.

 

[Scoop_89]

No more expensive than the Fireball.

Did you buy the Fireball new or used? And if you bought it new, can you take it back to the store and get them to check it out?

I bought it new so I'm gonna use my warranty to get a tube replacement.

 

[darren]

Don't just assume that it's the tubes. There could be something else going on that you're not aware of. Best to get it checked out by an experienced (and ENGL-authorized) tech.

 

[Scoop_89]

This issue was discussed by me and the store a couple of months ago and it all went on ice, what we decided then is what I would like to do now. First change the tubes and if that doesn't help we'll send it away to the ENGL techs and let them take a look at it and see if something is wrong.....

 

[JJ Rodriguez]

Sounds like a plan dude I know sending it away would suck, but at least it's under warranty, and if you go to sell it, having it recently re-tubed and given a once over by an Engl authorized tech is a good selling feature.