Emperor a Nazi band?

[filipe200x]

Hey there, can anyone tell me if the band Emperor has nazi-oriented ideologies? I can't recall correctly, but i think i read somewhere that they had these loser's ideologies just like that Burzum guy...

Anyway, i ask this cause i saw a picture of their guitarist in the IBI website, and if he is that would be kinda politically incorrect from IBI's marketing advisors...Plus he looks turkish, so it would be kinda stupid, having those ideas...

So does the info proceeds?

 

[Waelstrum]

Well, wikipedia doesn't directly mention any Nazi stuff, but their first drummer killed a guy and was a friend of Varg Vikernes who is definitely a Nazi. Ihsan (who I think is the guy you're describing) claimed to be a Satanist in the early 90's (he's since recanted), and that doesn't fit with Nazism. Overall, they're not Nazis, and while some members have been imprisoned for violent acts, Ihsan seems okay in terms of publicity.

 

[Don Vito]

I consider Ihsahn to be the main force behind that band.

He doesn't seem like someone that would be into that stuff.

 

[Mr. Big Noodles]

Ihsahn's not stupid enough to be a part of that crap.

 

[Varcolac]

Ihsahn's not stupid enough to be a part of that crap.

Indeed. His lyrics tend to be focused around either basic dark fantasy stuff (I Am The Black Wizards, Thus Spake The Nightspirit), or a kind of evolving nihilist personal philosophy (With Strength I Burn, most of his solo stuff). It's Dungeons and Dragons and Nietzsche, basically. From the lyrics I know, there's not a word of that creepy NSBM horror to be found.

Satanism, yeah, sure, but that's mainly more of a self-empowerment religion and as far as I know has nothing to do with that kind of ultranationalist idiocy.

 

[Scar Symmetry]

Ihsahn's too damn smart to be a part of that crap.

Fixed

 

[Ryan-ZenGtr-]

If they don't mention Blavatsky, Theosophy and an alternate version of history with Arian origins on *Mars they don't count as realNazi!!!



*some reference "face" on Mars as "evidence"...

Those crazy guys, eh?

"Satanism, yeah, sure, but that's mainly more of a self-empowerment religion and as far as I know has nothing to do with that kind of ultranationalist idiocy."

It's a bit more complicated and darker than that. Do some research and be prepared to become really confused.

It always makes me wonder how people (and cultists especially) can take themselves so seriously.

Anyway, funny post for funny thread!

 

[Vinchester]

Ihsahn strikes me as a rather sober musician. He may have believed in stupid things in the past but he sure seems like he has already grown out of it. Not that I know anything though.

 

[Konfyouzd]

Who cares?

 

[Hemi-Powered Drone]

Ihsahn strikes me as a rather sober musician. He may have believed in stupid things in the past but he sure seems like he has already grown out of it. Not that I know anything though.

I've noticed that as well. He seems like a guy that realizes he was an idiot in his younger years and has grown up.

 

[USMarine75]

Who cares?

Apparently the OP

 

[renzoip]

I have not really looked into Emperor's lyrics to know what they believe, but I can tell you Ihshan is not a nazi. My friends and I met him last year at Progpower USA and he was the coolest guy ever (I am from Peru and she is from Honduras). Also, while we were talking, the topic of Ander Breivik and the bombing in Norway came up; he highly condemned him and his actions.

So no, I don't think he is a Facist/Nationalist/Nazi.

 

[wlfers]

Maybe for the people who are still surprised and offended that there exists controversy in metal, there should be a band background check for them to see that nobody in the band disagrees with or has differing ideologies from them.

Also, while we were talking, the topic of Ander Breivik and the bombing in Norway came up; he highly condemned him and his actions.

Varg condemned the killing also?

 

[Adam Of Angels]

I remember having read an interview from Ihsahn where he mentioned that, while his band mates had been very active in the whole black metal scene, he was just in it for the music. He's a very smart guy, and seems to be into mysticism/spirituality, but not Nazism.

 

[Necris]

None of the members of Emperor were or are neo-nazis.

Samoth (the rhythm guitarist) was jailed for arson after participating in church burnings with Varg Vikernes of Burzum.
Faust was arrested for church burning, burglary and murder after stabbing a homosexual man to death in 1992, his reason for the murder having nothing to do with the mans sexual orientation.
Tchort was arrested for theft, assault with a knife and desecration and jailed for 2 years.

Ihsahn was the only member of the lineup for In The Nightside Eclipse that hasn't been imprisoned.

You may be thinking of members of another Norwegian band.

 

[renzoip]

Maybe for the people who are still surprised and offended that there exists controversy in metal, there should be a band background check for them to see that nobody in the band disagrees with or has differing ideologies from them.



Varg condemned the killing also?

Idk about Varg, I only spoke to Ihshan. He was only there with his backing band, Leprous.

 

[wlfers]

He did condemn the killings, he said something along the lines of "you do not kill children no matter how brainwashed they are". Just saying that condemning or condoning the Brevik killings does not make one National Socialist or not.

 

[Explorer]

@ the OP: So... with the church burning and murder stuff, do they reach your required level of bad behavior... either for not listening to a band because you don't agree with their disregard for others, or being completely into it, whichever was your goal?

And, which was it? Thumbs up or down? If you're mustering the energy to at least ask, then it matters to you in at least a minor way.

 

[DrakkarTyrannis]

It's a bit more complicated and darker than that. Do some research and be prepared to become really confused.

It always makes me wonder how people (and cultists especially) can take themselves so seriously.

Anyway, funny post for funny thread!

Satanists don't take themselves ultra-seriously..Satanism is about enjoying life..being a self absorbed blowhard sure isn't much fun.

As for Emperor..the brains behind the band doesn't seem to be part of any of the usual black metal foolishness. He's one of the few who seems to have grown up.

 

[Xaios]

Agreed, Ihsahn at least seems to have come from the same stock as Immortal, more or less removed from the NSBM and anti-religious elements that pervaded the black metal scene at the time.