NGD: Agile Hawker 82527

[Matty B]

The paddle helps neck dive versus the regular headstock or versus the regular headless?

No headstock reduces neck dive. This one in particular though seems to experience body dive.

 

[bostjan]

No headstock reduces neck dive. This one in particular though seems to experience body dive.

"body dive?"

You mean, the neck tips upward when you let go of it? I mean, that's still better, but I agree not ideal.

 

[DancingCloseToU]

I dig it, but that "headstock" piece is really throwing me off.

 

[EverDream]

Yeah, that is not headless IMO, to me that is a shortened head-stock with different tuners (and from what was described, sounds like pretty crappy ones that cause string breakage). If it helps neck dive that's nice, but not at the cost of being more prone to string breakage due to crappy tuners.

Plus I think it's ugly. A real headless looks pretty cool to me, but this just looks like a half-ass attempt at a headless. It's like... "Are you headless or not? Make up your mind!"... this in-between look, looks really silly IMO, lol. But that being said, it's nice to have options and some people may not be bothered by it, and may like it, so whatever. It's just not for me, that's for sure, lol.

 

[LeviathanKiller]

Yeah, that is not headless IMO, to me that is a shortened head-stock with different tuners (and from what was described, sounds like pretty crappy ones that cause string breakage). If it helps neck dive that's nice, but not at the cost of being more prone to string breakage due to crappy tuners.

Plus I think it's ugly. A real headless looks pretty cool to me, but this just looks like a half-ass attempt at a headless. It's like... "Are you headless or not? Make up your mind!"... this in-between look, looks really silly IMO, lol. But that being said, it's nice to have options and some people may not be bothered by it, and may like it, so whatever. It's just not for me, that's for sure, lol.

Really? This is a Strandberg here. Not that much of a difference. As long as it doesn't have tuners on it and is smaller than your general headstocks, I'd classify it as a headless.

 

[bostjan]

Really? This is a Strandberg here. Not that much of a difference. As long as it doesn't have tuners on it and is smaller than your general headstocks, I'd classify it as a headless.

"Not that much of a difference."?! I have to strongly disagree there.

From the photos, you can clearly see that the Agile's "headstump" is about 3 times the size of the Strandberg's. The Strandberg's "headstump" is also a fairly extreme example, as 99% of headless guitars outside of Agile and Strandberg have significantly less material than that.

Then think about how a normal Agile headstock is about three times the size of this Hawker's "headstump," and you can pretty accurately describe this particular guitar as having a half-head.

Not saying that the headstump is a negative thing or that it's a good thing.

 

[LeviathanKiller]

"Not that much of a difference."?! I have to strongly disagree there.

From the photos, you can clearly see that the Agile's "headstump" is about 3 times the size of the Strandberg's. The Strandberg's "headstump" is also a fairly extreme example, as 99% of headless guitars outside of Agile and Strandberg have significantly less material than that.

Then think about how a normal Agile headstock is about three times the size of this Hawker's "headstump," and you can pretty accurately describe this particular guitar as having a half-head.

Not saying that the headstump is a negative thing or that it's a good thing.

Hey, I'm no expert
Strandberg is what I think of when I think headless

 

[M3CHK1LLA]

if the truss rod adjustment would have been moved near the neck pick up, that "stump" could a lot smaller

 

[Matty B]

if the truss rod adjustment would have been moved near the neck pick up, that "stump" could a lot smaller

It's actually like that on 6 and 7 string versions which I'd prefer but on 8+ Agiles they all have dual truss rods.