WarMachine
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Absolutely. I had a CD that was skipping wicked bad when i was jamming with it. Needless to say its not good for stereos and speakers to get fists ran thru them
Absolutely. I had a CD that was skipping wicked bad when i was jamming with it. Needless to say its not good for stereos and speakers to get fists ran thru them
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I have been thinking about a pair of those exact headphones.. or maybe another planar option. What do you think of them? I've only ever had "traditional" headphones, Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pros right now.
I have been thinking about a pair of those exact headphones.. or maybe another planar option. What do you think of them? I've only ever had "traditional" headphones, Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pros right now.
Wow, awesome breakdown!They're just incredible. I listen to music as my primary hobby and I have 17 years of experience in recording, audio engineering etc. I have the 2021 revision has a new magnet array and driver design. Keep that in mind.
The only bad thing about them is that they are heavy. 620 grams. (Before the 2021 revision they were 680grams) Look up how much your headphones weigh and compare. If you do office work or programming and have to sit upright and expect to wear these all day comfortably, forget that. Any listening I do, I definitely lean up against something and recline. For audio work I sit upright in a chair and I can get through some long sessions. At about 4-6 hours is where I don't really want them on my head any more that day. 6 hours plus, there is probably going to be some soreness afterwards for me.
They absolutely need to be ran with way more juice than than the sensitivity rating lets on. They can run loud on just about anything, but that is extremely deceiving, they have no dynamic push to them and have poor performance on low powered sources. They need a separate amplifier of at least 250mw to hit their potential. So you would need to factor that into the cost if you don't already own a headphone amplifier component.
The sound of them is extremely detailed, it's insane. When for example a saxophone is playing you can hear every single distinct component of the sound. The player's breath moving through the instrument, their breathing, the sound of the brass, the sound of the reed, the buttons clicking and the sound of the reverberation in the room to the point where you might start imagining what the materials the room is made of. For example on old recordings that used concrete echo chambers, I hear it and recognize that the sound is bouncing off of concrete.
It's like a holographic image of the sound is being injected directly into your brain with extreme neutrality and a shocking amount of timbre accuracy, especially for a headphone. When being ran by good components the soundstage is a continuous image that runs from the middle of one shoulder to the middle of the other shoulder with no gaps in between. When something pans across you hear it's precise position from one side to the other. Not only do I like this for listening, it's very advantageous to have this level of stereo imaging while engineering audio.
The weight and accuracy of the low frequencies is wild even though they're neutral, the sheer quality of the bass when properly amplified is great and it's a really satisfying quantity for me, in fact it's just right. Everything across the spectrum is really just *chefs kiss*. The bass quantity without eq is just perfect.
I have nothing but good things to say about the sound. Mixing, mastering and audio engineering on them is a breeze, you can hear all the way into everything enough to use all the most advanced techniques and hear what you're doing with any really small adjustment. I can eq anything very quickly and not second guess any decision whatsoever. I can even evaluate different eq's for example linear eq vs analog modeling etc. You can hear the textures of different types of saturation in recordings and for engineering you can evaluate the textures of whatever saturation that you might want to work with. It's like a microscope. A jewelers loupe. They have a genuine high amount of resolution without any fake treble peaks there to try to give the illusion of resolution. They sound natural and smooth rather than sounding analytical and sterile in spite of the fact that they provide such a high level of detail.
For listening, they are extremely enjoyable. You can sit back and forget about audio equipment and just hear the music with nothing in the way or taking you out of the experience. Since they're neutral they are really good at any genre you would want to listen to. They're a really desert island piece of kit for me. I could not own any other speakers or headphones and just have these and be completely cool with it.
You can crank them up loud and nothing gets unpleasant, you have to be careful not to get carried away with it. Cranking the volume is just *music intensifies* with no other ill effects which is pretty huge contrast against a lot of headphones and audio equipment, it's rather strange in a way that is hard to describe with words.
I have had them since march of this year and the honeymoon/new thing phase is long gone and I am still absolutely over the moon about putting these on my head and hearing things every single day. I'm 100% satisfied with them. I was extremely skeptical about them before I owned them because of the price and now that I own them, I think they're a really good deal for what they are. If you put together the speaker equivalent in a treated room that could hang with these it would cost A WHOLE LOT.
The only contender to these in the price range(and really in general as something that can be precisely engineered on without running dsp for eq curve corrections) is the Focal Clear or Focal Clear MG which weighs 450 grams and uses dynamic drivers. That is option if the weight is an issue. Dynamic drivers have a punchier sound to them, but I am a huge planar fan for all the the advantages they have that I find essential. The X also has more headroom should you decide to eq in more bass while the Focals are at capacity when running them flat and a boost will clip them.
Wow, awesome breakdown!
I love my ML electrostats... so something like that, except a headphone with that crazy sound quality through the whole range is very appealing. I've got a fairly beefy headphone amp so I think I'd be good to go... pricy though. I wonder how much of a quality difference there'd be between those and something like a Dan Clark Aeon.
Thanks for the very detailed breakdown ! Although the point of going with a vintage system was to not use headphones any longer. Long live WFH !
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My Technics found outside the dumpster!!