The Role of Government (Formerly Net Neutrality Thread)

[Unleash The Fury]

It really is crucially important to get your grammar correct when you're trying to do a "mic-drop" post.

Weve had a similar conversation about grammar a month ago. I care not to get into it again i just dont care

 

[narad]

Weve had a similar conversation about grammar a month ago. I care not to get into it again i just dont care

It's okay, I'm not going to read into it (too much). But believing some campaign talking point in the absence of any evidence to support it, and justifying it with a single sample of anecdotal evidence -- that's something you should care more about. You're choosing to believe what is convenient for you, rather than what studies indicate.

 

[Unleash The Fury]

It's okay, I'm not going to read into it (too much). But believing some campaign talking point in the absence of any evidence to support it, and justifying it with a single sample of anecdotal evidence -- that's something you should care more about. You're choosing to believe what is convenient for you, rather than what studies indicate.

What do you mean by campaign talking point exactly?

 

[narad]

What do you mean by campaign talking point exactly?

The claim that Canadians come over in droves for American healthcare. And the subtext that they do this because of shortcomings in their own system.

In the words of a Canadian journalist, in response to an international health policy that placed Canada just one place above the US, "So we're better than The United States, but should we really aim so low?" Number one on the list, the UK, another national healthcare country. So to bring it back around -- letting the free market reign doesn't seem to be yielding the highest quality or the highest satisfaction in terms of healthcare across the world.

 

[Unleash The Fury]

The claim that Canadians come over in droves for American healthcare. And the subtext that they do this because of shortcomings in their own system.

In the words of a Canadian journalist, in response to an international health policy that placed Canada just one place above the US, "So we're better than The United States, but should we really aim so low?" Number one on the list, the UK, another national healthcare country. So to bring it back around -- letting the free market reign doesn't seem to be yielding the highest quality or the highest satisfaction in terms of healthcare across the world.

People who champion free healthcare and those who champion socialism in general, always think that the capitalism that currently is implemented today, is a true free market capitalism. It is not. What you are claiming to be a free market is actually chronyism. Nobody in the world has a true laissez faire free market. There hasnt been for quite some time. We should try it for once. Edit: id like to try it

Still off topic here

 

[Randy]

Still off topic here

Not anymore it ain't.

 

[HerbalDude420]

Free market relies to heavily on supply and demand. You can easily restrict the supply of a given service or tangible item. And you can heavily influence the demand of something.

 

[vilk]

Nobody in the world has a true laissez faire free market

Now, why do you suppose that is? I mean, after all, as you insist, it's clearly the best most perfect system that there could ever be... so why doesn't it exist anywhere?

It's my speculation that it does not and cannot exist. The closest thing there is is cronyism. So for that reason, imo, it's a poor argument to say that a certain policy direction is wrong on account of that it isn't true enough to a laissez faire system.

 

[Unleash The Fury]

Now, why do you suppose that is? I mean, after all, as you insist, it's clearly the best most perfect system that there could ever be... so why doesn't it exist anywhere?

It's my speculation that it does not and cannot exist. The closest thing there is is cronyism. So for that reason, imo, it's a poor argument to say that a certain policy direction is wrong on account of that it isn't true enough to a laissez faire system.

Gee i dunno is it because maybe theres psycopathic people out that want complete control over everything you do???

It doesnt exist NOT because it wouldnt work.

 

[narad]

Gee i dunno is it because maybe theres psycopathic people out that want complete control over everything you do???

It doesnt exist NOT because it wouldnt work.

Psychotic people aren't the ones with any power to control what you do...

But whatever. In for NN or against NN, the choice was never to enact some idealistic free market economy for everything, so I don't know where you're going with it. You had two choices: ISPs can't throttle/package content, or they can do whatever they want, under the story that market forces will pressure them to do things that benefit consumers. Funny no consumers were asking for it.

 

[StevenC]

Psychotic people aren't the ones with any power to control what you do...

But whatever. In for NN or against NN, the choice was never to enact some idealistic free market economy for everything, so I don't know where you're going with it. You had two choices: ISPs can't throttle/package content, or they can do whatever they want, under the story that market forces will pressure them to do things that benefit consumers. Funny no consumers were asking for it.

Funny that consumers weren't asking for it, web innovators weren't asking for it, and website operators weren't asking for it.

To be clear, Mr The Fury, only the ISPs were asking for ISPs to have more power.

Now maybe it's just me; but I think it's kind of arbitrary to not trust governments, yet happily give businesses more control over what content you consume.

 

[Unleash The Fury]

Whats the matter, someones taking away your free porn like taking candy from a baby? Thats why your up in arms?

Back to dvd's i guess lol

 

[narad]

Whats the matter, someones taking away your free porn like taking candy from a baby? Thats why your up in arms? Lol

Nope. Just hate Comcast.

 

[Unleash The Fury]

Nope. Just hate Comcast.

So do i. I hate them all actually. Way too expensive. Frontier and charter sucks in my neighborhood

 

[StevenC]

So do i. I hate them all actually. Way too expensive. Frontier and charter sucks in my neighborhood

Makes you wonder why no other ISPs have moved in to your neighbourhood.

 

[Unleash The Fury]

Makes you wonder why no other ISPs have moved in to your neighbourhood.

And why might that be?

 

[MFB]

The fact that you can't see the irony of him saying that after everything discussed means this has all been for nothing

 

[Unleash The Fury]

Sarcasm flew above your head apparently.

You dont need government to stop something that a free market would. If anything net neutrality should only make isp and more importantly, places like YouTube, Facebook, be upfront and say "yes we are censoring". This program will allow government to grab it hands on our internet.

I dont have the best understanding of this topic since its confusing. Governement control vs. possibly biased corporate control. Take your pick

 

[AxeHappy]

Highest Canadian tax bracket is 33% and only kicks in at 200 000 dollars. Moreover it is a progressive tax system so only income above 200K is taxed at that, with lower incomes being taxed at the appropriate rate for that income.

No one here is paying anywhere near 50% of their income in taxes.

 

[vilk]

I don't have the best understanding of this topic

You don't fucking say

Whats the matter, someones taking away your free porn like taking candy from a baby? Thats why your up in arms?

Back to dvd's i guess lol

What is this fucking shit