Presidential debate 1
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Syrinx
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Well another example of why I don't trust a thing he says..
One day he claims he will never pay more taxes then he's legally obligated to (I fully support this, why would anyone do such a thing?), then he intentionally does not claim as much as he is legally allowed on his donations so he can keep up his other claim that he's never paid lower than 13% in tax and thus paying more than he obligated to.
flint757
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In other words he is a snake in the grass, who was lying and to cover it up didn't take all of his deductions. Not the least bit surprised, after all no better gig than the president, you make a lot of money till the day you die for doing absolutely nothing (after you leave office).
I forget who made the point earlier in this thread (sorry 
) but the fact he gives more to the Mormon church than he does to the country he "loves so much" is quite telling. 
) but the fact he gives more to the Mormon church than he does to the country he "loves so much" is quite telling. 
Isan
Contributor
Semichastny
Well-Known Member
I forget who made the point earlier in this thread (sorry
I saw a guy on some faith channel address a large crowd and say "It's ok to be a christian before being an american!". It was very disturbing.
Adam Of Angels
The GAS Man
What's worse is that people are willing to be American or Christian before being a Decent Human Being... And in those instances, they usually get the meaning of those things wrong anyway.
Treeunit212
Not your bro, bro.
I forget who made the point earlier in this thread (sorry
That was me. (^.^)
My International Relations book features a pie chart comparison of the top five most Muslim countries and the top five most Christian countries. The question was:
Are you first a citizen of your country or first a member of your religion?
Muslim: 60% religion, 22% country, 18% other.
Christian: 24% religion, 62% country, 14% other.
In the Muslim world, Islam provides a stronger sense of community and belonging than any border ever will. At the same time, something like 60% of Americans think America was founded as a Christian nation.
It's scary/reassuring/mostly scary how similar we really are.
Stealthdjentstic
Banned
If romney wins ill have to stop referring to american dollars as freedom dollars.
highlordmugfug
themuthaphukkindeath
May I suggest "magic-undie bucks" as a suitable alternative?If romney wins ill have to stop referring to american dollars as freedom dollars.
celticelk
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What's the colonial and political history of those five "most Muslim" countries? The greater portion of the Muslim world has been colonized by the West for so long that it's really no surprise if the inhabitants feel a greater sense of identity with their religion.
flint757
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And it would also add to their general hate for the western world as well, I imagine.
CannibalKiller
Banned
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this here yet, but I'll bring it up either way.
Part of being a Mormon is using "God's gifts" to the benefit of the Mormon Church. So, if a Mormon became President, he would have to use that power for the benefit of the Mormon Church, essentially making America a theocracy. I think if everyone knew this Romney wouldn't even be a candidate.
Part of being a Mormon is using "God's gifts" to the benefit of the Mormon Church. So, if a Mormon became President, he would have to use that power for the benefit of the Mormon Church, essentially making America a theocracy. I think if everyone knew this Romney wouldn't even be a candidate.
But he wouldn't be Obama and he believes in God and is a good business man. That is literally the line of thought that will occur if you bring that up.
Jakke
Pretty wisdomous
^He believes in a god, who lives on the planet Kolob...
As for the debate... Using the Gish Gallop should be instantly bannable in any debate.
As for the debate... Using the Gish Gallop should be instantly bannable in any debate.
flint757
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Religion doesn't matter to Americans unless you are an Athiest or Muslim. They treat all other faith as the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend'. Catholics and Jews had a rough time for awhile IMO as well, politically, but religion is instantly overlooked/ not important to get rid of Obama since 'that is all that matters'.
Treeunit212
Not your bro, bro.
The history is that more often than not, those borders were drawn by western powers with no respect to the tribal territories already in place. Similar to Africa, except when you look at places like Northern Iraq with the Kurds, there's more of a Israel/Palestine situation.
flint757
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There is a laundry list of justifiable reasons for big portions of the world to hate western society. That being said the reasons I have heard over the last decade don't reflect those reasons AFAIK.
Lives Once Abstract
Avid Musician
Yes, but, we shouldn't get too carried away with the fact that the president has alot less power than he's made out to have. I don't want him in office sure, but also, I'm more concerned with whos in congress. The president isn't a monarch, but its still a possition of power in the U.S. federal government.
Also, (this is off topic, but still on topic...) I'm kinda interested to see how aggressive the VP debate will be.
They won't hold back as much as the other two.Semichastny
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Just because something has been enumerated on a piece of parchment doesn't mean that is how it is in real life. Remember all the problems and issues tied directly to the last president?
