Soulja Boy " F* the US troops.. "

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I remember a much bigger and prominent group, NWA, saying "F**k tha Police" back in the day.
 

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10 Most Offensive Songs list...

NWA: F*** Tha Police - Top 10 most offensive songs - Pictures - Music - Virgin Media

F the Police was #9...

In all fairness, they did have a pretty good reason to write the song. :)

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Support the troops, not the war.

Supporting the troops is supporting the war though.

I couldn't care less what some talentless rapper says and I don't think you should either, OP.

But let's face it, if there were no troops there would be no war. And any sane person can agree that this war has gone on long enough now. If only all the soldiers would wake up and realize this. MUTINY! (yes, I'm actually being serious).

Take a lesson from Mike Prysner...

AMAZING SPEECH BY WAR VETERAN - YouTube
 

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Supporting the troops is supporting the war though.

I couldn't care less what some talentless rapper says and I don't think you should either, OP.

But let's face it, if there were no troops there would be no war. And any sane person can agree that this war has gone on long enough now. If only all the soldiers would wake up and realize this. MUTINY! (yes, I'm actually being serious).

First off, you can support troops and not support a war. I want troops to get decent pay, the equipment and facilities they need to do their jobs as easily as they can. Being away from home and fighting in a foreign land is a difficult thing and doesn't need to be made more difficult by not having the right equipment etc. I may not agree with the motives behind what they do, but if there is going to be a war I'd at least want those people fighting it on our side to be supported.

Secondly, as long as people are the way they are, there will be war. If we had no soldiers, we'd be crushed because we wouldn't have any protection on the violent stage of the world. Any country who wanted to assert it's power would be able to do so with ease. Until there are no bad people in the world, then there will be war and as long as there is war we need soldiers. Asking humanity to collectively wake up and be nice to each other is a big ask unfortunately.
 

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First off, you can support troops and not support a war. I want troops to get decent pay, the equipment and facilities they need to do their jobs as easily as they can. Being away from home and fighting in a foreign land is a difficult thing and doesn't need to be made more difficult by not having the right equipment etc. I may not agree with the motives behind what they do, but if there is going to be a war I'd at least want those people fighting it on our side to be supported.

Secondly, as long as people are the way they are, there will be war. If we had no soldiers, we'd be crushed because we wouldn't have any protection on the violent stage of the world. Any country who wanted to assert it's power would be able to do so with ease. Until there are no bad people in the world, then there will be war and as long as there is war we need soldiers. Asking humanity to collectively wake up and be nice to each other is a big ask unfortunately.

It's one thing having soldiers for protection but it's another to convince thousands of them to invade another country, putting so many lives at risk, for reasons that so far seem unjustified.

All I'm saying is if the troops stopped for a minute and thought about what they're doing, thus realizing that it's pretty much pointless being there anymore, they could stand up and refuse to continue. That's not an unrealistic scenario. And it would benefit everyone.

To be honest, I feel sorry for the troops, not just American, but any man who agrees to be turned into a killing machine. I feel sorry for them because they are victims of indoctrination. Sorry to say it, but it's true.
 

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It's one thing having soldiers for protection but it's another to convince thousands of them to invade another country, putting so many lives at risk, for reasons that so far seem unjustified.

All I'm saying is if the troops stopped for a minute and thought about what they're doing, thus realizing that it's pretty much pointless being there anymore, they could stand up and refuse to continue. That's not an unrealistic scenario. And it would benefit everyone.

To be honest, I feel sorry for the troops, not just American, but any man who agrees to be turned into a killing machine. I feel sorry for them because they are victims of indoctrination. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

I agree it is unjustified, I'm not debating the motives behind this war I'm just saying we do need soldiers and those soldiers should be supported where necessary.

A lot of them do wake up. Many of these guys who sign up don't realise what it's like until they get out there. Many end up not returning to service because they see what war is really like. For a couple of years, there were more soldiers coming home and committing suicide than being killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan.

These soldiers are people capable of making up their own minds, and as evident in the speech by the man in that video, some of them change their mind after being out there.
 

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I agree it is unjustified, I'm not debating the motives behind this war I'm just saying we do need soldiers and those soldiers should be supported where necessary.

A lot of them do wake up. Many of these guys who sign up don't realise what it's like until they get out there. Many end up not returning to service because they see what war is really like. For a couple of years, there were more soldiers coming home and committing suicide than being killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan.

These soldiers are people capable of making up their own minds, and as evident in the speech by the man in that video, some of them change their mind after being out there.

Fair enough, I guess we pretty much agree then. I just can't stand the idea of taking advantage of naive minds. But I guess that's something that will always be happening.

I'm shocked to hear about the suicides. I never heard about that :/
 

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All I'm saying is if the troops stopped for a minute and thought about what they're doing, thus realizing that it's pretty much pointless being there anymore, they could stand up and refuse to continue. That's not an unrealistic scenario. And it would benefit everyone.

To be honest, I feel sorry for the troops, not just American, but any man who agrees to be turned into a killing machine. I feel sorry for them because they are victims of indoctrination. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

Exactly. It's not like there are ever people who hate America just because we're not an Islamic country, and it's not like the thing soldiers would have to stop for a minute is dealing with people like that.

Actually, I think I got that wrong. Perhaps there *are* people who hate America just for not being Islamic. Maybe they hate that our women don't cover up, and so they should die in the same way Islamic fundamentalists kill women in their own countries for not adhering to the faith of these people. Maybe our soldiers hear you talking about "taking a minute to think about what's true," and deciding that some have no clue about the real world.

To claim that members of the armed services only serve because they are brainwashed into it is to argue that only the one making that judgment can understand the situation. That's an interesting assertion. I'm not sure I believe it, but it is interesting.
 

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Perhaps there *are* people who hate America just for not being Islamic. Maybe they hate that our women don't cover up, and so they should die in the same way Islamic fundamentalists kill women in their own countries for not adhering to the faith of these people

Honestly, this is a very narrow vision about where the conflict between islamic fundamentalists and the West stems from. I love how the Western media keeps trying to assert the very same point you are by suggesting that extreme islamist want to see the West destroyed because we enjoy "freedom" and they are just jealous.

It's important to understand a little bit of the background history. This isn't about lifestyle, Osama Bin Laden himself said that if it were about lifestyle then he would have attacked Sweden or a more liberal country than the US. This is about politics, this is about the Western colonialism/imperialism. These terrorist are angry because they feel that the West continues to dominate their countries, their people, their lands/resources, etc.

I condemn their actions, for sure. But I think it is important to look a little further into matters like the war on terror. It's not as simple as "We the West are the good guys trying to save poor covered women from mean oppressive bearded men." 10 years ago the West might have had most of us believe their self-serving propaganda, but more and more it's starting to lose legitimacy.
 

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Actually, I think I got that wrong. Perhaps there *are* people who hate America just for not being Islamic. Maybe they hate that our women don't cover up, and so they should die in the same way Islamic fundamentalists kill women in their own countries for not adhering to the faith of these people.

Good thing then that we attacked a secular nation by trying to attach it to Al Queda (who were their enemies) and removed the Taliban from another nation and installed an equally fundamentalist regime with a leader who keeps threatening to join Al Queda if the west doesn't leave his nation be along with lots of mass-murdering warlords to positions of greater power than they previously had, eh?

The "they hate us because we're infidels" rhetoric is tiresome, really. Those who seek to make terrorist attacks on western nations hate us for our involvement in their politics. Yes, certainly some of their brainwashed servants that get sent out thinking they're doing it for their faith, it's a good tool to convince naive people, but no one orchestrating these things is doing it to create a world faithful to Allah.

And whoever neg-repped this:

I was more getting at the number of people who're there because they're poor and the economy and job prospects led them to it or because they've been misled by recruiters telling them stories about the adventures they have and they great job they'd be doing.

I find this song pertinent.

EDIT: Video removed.

Anyway, getting away from the topic. Soulja Boy's (who I've never heard of previously, is he even famous enough to warrant anyone giving a shit?) lyric taken at face value out of context seems silly. I've not near enough interest to investigate him further, but I've plenty stuff in my record collection that would be a million times more offensive to squaddies than that, if taken out of context, so I'd find it hard to castigate him for it. Especially if he means to target specific types of folks in the military, because in various cases I'd agree with him.

Yes. Really.
 

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stupid derailment of thread/stupid thread is stupid.

Drakkar and troyguitar are absolutely correct.

I highly doubt that any artistic wit that Soulja Boy has (I even question whether or not he even wrote such lyrics) would permit him to use such a bold statement in a "subcontextual" way, but just because some disparaging word is in the same line as "army troops" doesn't mean he's a communist, and doesn't mean he hates America and its soldiers. It may seem perfectly obvious that he really does mean that the U.S. soldiers are "worthless" or what have you, but still, you can't necessarily jump to conclusions. Had it been an artist with a reputation for more "introspective" and "philosophic" lyrics, then it wouldn't be a long shot to say that there is probably some deeper meaning. He could come out with a song that says "fuck the firefighters" but that might not mean he's a freedom-hater.

However, it IS Soulja Boy

And I will say that he is a fucking dumbass for not realizing that saying "fuck the army troops" MIGHT (just might) put some people out.
 

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Soulja Boy army insult track won't appear on new album - Music News - Digital Spy

"Soulja Boy later suggested that he was trying to express his opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but didn't mean to offend military families.

He said in a statement: "When I expressed my frustration with the US Army, not only did my words come out wrong, I was wrong to even speak them."

"So, I write this to give my sincerest apology to all members of the United States military services, as well as their families that were offended by my most recent lyrics."

A spokesperson for Soulja Boy's management team has confirmed that 'Let's Be Real' was never approved for release and it will not appear on his upcoming album Respect My Hustle.

Soulja Boy's rep also told TMZ that his management and record label are trying to remove the 'Let's Be Real' music video from the internet.

Soulja Boy is apparently willing to hold free concerts and meet with military officials in order to make up for any insult to the army."

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Soulja Boy army insult track won't appear on new album - Music News - Digital Spy

"Soulja Boy later suggested that he was trying to express his opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but didn't mean to offend military families.

He said in a statement: "When I expressed my frustration with the US Army, not only did my words come out wrong, I was wrong to even speak them."

"So, I write this to give my sincerest apology to all members of the United States military services, as well as their families that were offended by my most recent lyrics."

A spokesperson for Soulja Boy's management team has confirmed that 'Let's Be Real' was never approved for release and it will not appear on his upcoming album Respect My Hustle.

Soulja Boy's rep also told TMZ that his management and record label are trying to remove the 'Let's Be Real' music video from the internet.

Soulja Boy is apparently willing to hold free concerts and meet with military officials in order to make up for any insult to the army."

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So after giving free concert, the useless idiot Rapper will become " freind of the US Armed forces , defender of the freedom and a great artist" ? :)
 

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I'm (obviously) the last person to defend or make excuses for someone that's anti-military...

AND... I usually never (truly) believe any public apology from someone that is "famous", due to the fact it's usually written by someone in a PR department... (words are just that... actions speak far louder than words ever will to me)

BUT... until someone can demonstrate that his apology is BS (which it prob is), I have to take him at his word and accept it as sincere.

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first: i was in military. 2 years. so, i am not a hippy tree hugger type.
second: quit all these lies of bringing democracy around the globe, helping others, and policing the world. all American engagement worldwide is driven by selfish self interest, and it is disgusting. as well, as the " preemptive" thing.
now, feel free to burn me to ash.
it won't be the first time. serbia 1999. remember?
 
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