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Nobody said exactly that, but Logos was most popularly originally used by Hercalitus to approximately mean the way of the world. There are a few of his elaborations which equate it to the infinite wisdom of the gods, but then later Aristotle seems to equate it most as the truth of a man's complete place in the complete world. Colloquially it generally refers to what is true regardless of what is known or understood, or a wisdom of divine proportion without necessarily a divine personality. Logos is the truing block and meter of all reality to measure our formulated logic, basically. The stoics are probably the most popular to use the term in this way, though at least Senica did gladly embellish the hand of God for emphasis in the same breath IIRC.
I asked to explain what "earn access to the truth" means, and your answer was to ask me about whether or not anyone has tried to blackmail me, what was I supposed to do with that?
Maybe I missed this story before. The thing being earned here is trust, or at most some specific piece of privileged information. It doesn't make any sense to me to have to add a lie on top about the wifi not working in order to avoid giving the password away. Why couldn't this lady just say, strait up, "you get the wifi password when you have my trust"? The misdirection here doesn't serve anyone.
I think that's what Thus Spoke Zarathustra is all about. The only real/true knowledge is that directly apprehended from personal experience. Or, you can't tell anybody shit.
To be clear, the issue was not that she didn't want a non trusted device on the network, it's that the actual words in the login are (partially) the same thing she uses for other things like her email or her bank account. Potentially worth noting, I'm essentially a stranger and I've had access to all of those things before and she never voiced any concern with giving them to me. For whatever reason she has some purpose as to not wanting her granddaughter to have this, despite the fact that they appear to be very close.
But once again, why is this left out of the story, when it's very relevant. If we're trying to be as realistic/honest about what we'd do in this situation, I'd be recommending here that the problem is not trust at all, it's that this lady has made poor choices of wifi password and is weaseling out of it with added layers of misdirection. How would anyone know that this password is the same as other ones she's used unless she also tells people this? Why not just change the wifi password to something unique? And I come back to - again - why does the reason have to be secret? This could have been a learning opportunity "hey, neighborly grandma lady, if this is the problem, we've just learned the value of keeping unique passwords, lets set you up with a more appropriate solution for this". If nobody is willing to admit the actual truth of the situation (because it "has to be earned" or something), then nobody can offer a meaningful solution.
I think the Crux of this debate is that you appear to be an absolutionist when it comes to sharing the truth and I think sometimes it's fine to lie. It's probably not popular say it like that, but in practice seems like most people do it anyway, so I'd rather just acknowledge it happens and probably serves some purpose.
I mean, I think there are sometimes valid reasons to lie. I'm being serious when I say I'm just trying to figure out what "earning the truth" means.
I mean, its deliberately vague to be left to *some* interpretation but its a play on the first part of the statement.
Since we're being all philosophical and stuff, I'm going to disagree with you there. Life in general is driven by struggle and we're driven by a need to overcome, otherwise there wouldn't be any need for progression or the seeking of truth or knowledge at all. Struggle confers all value because without it value is a meaningless concept.
Some truths are real Water of Life hours
I mean, I define trust as a recognition that you can predict something. As in, "I recognize it's safe to tell someone something, because I predict they will do no harm with it". Or "I trust myself to drive at x speed, because I predict that I can react fast enough at that speed". I don't think it's anything to do with right or privilege necessarily. Deciding whether or not trust or distrust is the default, or how to dole it out, is entirely context sensitive. I don't automatically distrust people for no reason, but I don't give every stranger my passwords. If I have no reason to predict a problem from people, then I have no reason to distrust them.
I disagree with this as strongly as anyone can disagree with anything, because:
I mean.... there isn't. In an absolute sense, there is no need that we don't invent for ourselves. If you keep that as a personal philosophy, you do you, but it's not an objective worldview.
I think it is objective in a teleological sense. We are biological beings with an inbuilt purpose for survival and propagation, just like any other life. If we didn't have innate needs and drives shaped by the nature of transience and mortality then we wouldn't be able to survive, let alone achieve. The only reason we've gotten to the point that we have is through the struggle and aspiration of countless generations before us going back to our pre-human ancestors. It's not possible for us to have just existed in a historical vacuum without want or need - but if somehow we did, there would be nowhere left to go and nothing to achieve, and we wouldn't be motivated to do anything other than exist wherever we happened to be. Nothing would have value to us because there would be no concept of risk, loss, danger or impermanence.
You could even make an argument that on a high enough level, emotional and psychological "needs" are still functions of a process of development and evolution, and as such fulfill some kind of purpose to the aim of the perpetuation of the individual, groups of individuals, or the species as a whole, and therefore they are still related to some kind of objective material need.
