The HAARP Machine Megathread
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Xarn
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Not even Petrucci, Cooley or Mr. Lane is/was this consistent in their picking. That kinda rests my case.
But I'm fairly certain that Al is a great player, he just strives for absolute perfection in his recordings. Based on his compositions alone, I'm fairly sure if he keeps releasing songs like Pleiadian Keys he'll be a legend in technical metal in 5-10 years time for sure!
i honestly think the lace pickups in strandbergs axes dont do his work justice. no offense to lace. they make some amazing pups for cleans(chrome domes are my fav). but for some reason in this guitar and some of the others i just dont think they work very well.
How do you know this exactly?
Did you sit with Petrucci, Cooley and Lane and have them play palm muted 16th notes to a click?
That picking is about 220/230bpm, some of the Lane stuff is up in the 260s.
Did you sit with Petrucci, Cooley and Lane and have them play palm muted 16th notes to a click?
That picking is about 220/230bpm, some of the Lane stuff is up in the 260s.
MacTown09
Well-Known Member
I don't think the speed is the issue. It's how he is so damn clean. I noticed that he circular picks like a crazy. I'll be working on it and let you know how it goes!
Isn't this basically it?
Took all of 2 attempts. I could easily get this cleaner if I hadn't just got back from doing deadlifts which fucks my hands.
Haarp riff by JonathanStrange on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
Took all of 2 attempts. I could easily get this cleaner if I hadn't just got back from doing deadlifts which fucks my hands.
Haarp riff by JonathanStrange on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
TIBrent
Drop Z regular
Nice! Add a whole heaping helping of compression & a stronger gate & you would have the EXACT same sound as the 'doctored video'.
-Brent
-Brent
Because if those legendary players could do it, the would 
bulb
Well-Known Member
Or recording it at half speed and then doubling it. You don't even have to do it with a DI for it to work.
Seriously just try it, record something in your DAW. Process the take in so that it ends up double speed, and you have it. Just don't claim it's a live take once you have done it hahah.
Seriously just try it, record something in your DAW. Process the take in so that it ends up double speed, and you have it. Just don't claim it's a live take once you have done it hahah.
MacTown09
Well-Known Member
Basically that is it as far as notes and speed goes. Those are the easy part. The tonality in yours is completely different and a lot less precise and consistent sounding. Yours sounds like a strong
Flopping around. His sounds like a machine.
I'm gonna do a little Work later as bulb suggested. I'll post results. I hope to god that's not how this sound is made cuz I really wanna learn it. Live.
HAARP
Member
A conscious effort was made with The HAARP Machine to focus on art and revolution and not get caught up in the noise. Alas, assumption, insinuation and accusation have been rife and the need to 'take out the trash' has necessitated an exception.
But first, lets step back and take a closer look at the source of these so called 'truths' and intentions of those who point the finger. What are their motives? What exactly is trying to be communicated and understood here?
In modern society across the globe, statutory laws have been set in place to ensure a fair trial. This is designed to prevent rumour, conjecture and disinformation from clouding the jury's perception of the reality at hand and serving injustice. The last handful of pages on this thread have been so far removed from this basic human right that it is more akin to the witch trials of the 1600s than a forum of self respecting musicians in the 21st century.
How we approach situations like this is crucial. Taking the lesser foot forward and assuming the worst says a lot more about 'you' than 'me'.
In the end you will believe whatever you want to believe.
>
1. The Strandberg Guitarworks video is a commercial. I have never claimed it was a live play through nor have I denied any studio practice. The question was never asked for the alleged denial to occur. The dry truth is we simply did not have the means to record live within the set timeframe.
2. The comments on Sumerian Records Youtube channel have nothing to do with us. There is however a spam filter on our page to block anything to do with the previous drummer, who is on a mission to air 'dirty laundry' and manipulate everything and everyone within his reach in an attempt to slander my name and The HAARP Machine. He quit the band in an emotionally charged, tactical move and asked to rejoin 12 hours later. He was refused outright and now directs his negative energy and high school drama at us rather than accept the consequences of his belligerence and error. This happened 6 months ago. A sane and confident person would've have used this time to pick up the pieces and move on instead of rolling around in the filth and crying for attention.
For the record - I had the option to rerecord the drums; I chose not to. I had the option to not credit him on the album whatsoever; I chose not to. I have the option to remove his play-through videos of my songs (another story altogether) and shut down his channel; I choose not to. I have the option to expose him for all that he has done and hold him accountable in the public eye; I choose not to.
In time the truth will be realised and those who've made moral judgement based on conjecture and rumour, will have to face the cold stare in the mirror eventually.
''It's harder to live with the truth about you than to live with the lies about me.''
3. Nolly introduced Derya of The Safety Fire and I to this 'tabooed' recording technique a few years ago proclaiming that The Faceless and Veil Of Maya had implemented it on their latest records with great success. This technique has a particular sound and has become commonplace within the community for a variety of purposes. Everyone from Necrophagist to Animals As Leaders has done it and no one is feeling guilty for it.
Those so-called 'musicians' who enforce the completely erroneous notion that technical music must be recorded 'traditionally' to be valid are missing the point completely. This is music; not sports and the less we focus on trivial athleticism the more we can focus on creating and sharing the true essence of why we're all here.
4. @Bulb - I do not know you and you do not know me. I find your involvement and timing in this discussion highly suspect.
I know this because I have definitely experimented with that kinda stuff and it has a very particular sound
The technical parts on the first Periphery record were all recorded like 'that' - Nolly.
''But when doing my playthrough, I wanted people to hear what my Strandberg actually sounds like, so I played it through an amp in one take, filmed that/used the audio from that and not the audio from the album, sure it's not perfect but neither am I, and that's okay.''
The point is valid but it's clear you are trying to belittle me in order to raise your own esteem.
''Again, the argument is not for those tricks in the studio, but in fact using the halfspeed/one note at a time album audio over a video supposedly showcasing a guitar's tone and playing, but subsequently denying that fact and claiming that it is live.''
See #1
so as long as the drummer plays well (their old drummer Craig is incredible
Its clear that youve been acquainted. See preface.
you could technically slop it up and still sound pretty tight overall haha!
Wouldnt this be the same as everyone in your band being tight but you?
''Guitar Pro Songs''
You are an idiot for this statement alone.
''Of course, if you come clean about it there is no issue,''
See #1.
''..it is lying that gets to me personally..''
Hold on to this thought.
''..the deleting of comments calling them out etc.''
See #2.
''I don't even care if the video was mimed, I care that they tried to claim that it wasn't and were very vigilant with deleting any comments that brought the truth forward.''
See #1 & #2
''Basically I am saying that you shouldn't lie. I know, I am old fashioned like that, but I don't think it's right.''
So.
You've stated on numerous occasions that Matt Halpern played in the drums on an electric kit on Periphery's first record, yet our mutual friend informed me that this a LIE and it was all programmed from the onset. A convenient and fool proof LIE if only not for the gossiping tendencies of your new bassist.
Double standards? Hypocrisy? Self-righteousness? You decide.
Like I said, I do not know you and you do not know me. We met once and it was pleasant. Why you felt the need to sink to such depths is beyond me.
You are a 27/28-year-old human adult with talent and success. Theres no need for this kind of behavior.
In future I advise you to refrain from addressing others from that high horse of yours, as it will significantly increase the chances of you falling off and being trampled on.
5. @Maniacal
''I was at that gig, they played to a track that had another guitar playing on it. They did this for the entire Decap tour.
Upon close inspection what I could hear was the play along track.''
Perhaps you were on the wrong side of the room. Perhaps my amp wasn't balanced with the PA. Perhaps the sound engineer let us down. Who knows. The point here is that the track is a 'very tight guitarist' and I have to match it.
6. Thank you to everyone else for the support and not getting caught up in the nonsense. Lets focus on the sonic adventure ahead and not let Chinese whispers divide us.
Good luck and good night.
But first, lets step back and take a closer look at the source of these so called 'truths' and intentions of those who point the finger. What are their motives? What exactly is trying to be communicated and understood here?
In modern society across the globe, statutory laws have been set in place to ensure a fair trial. This is designed to prevent rumour, conjecture and disinformation from clouding the jury's perception of the reality at hand and serving injustice. The last handful of pages on this thread have been so far removed from this basic human right that it is more akin to the witch trials of the 1600s than a forum of self respecting musicians in the 21st century.
How we approach situations like this is crucial. Taking the lesser foot forward and assuming the worst says a lot more about 'you' than 'me'.
In the end you will believe whatever you want to believe.
>
1. The Strandberg Guitarworks video is a commercial. I have never claimed it was a live play through nor have I denied any studio practice. The question was never asked for the alleged denial to occur. The dry truth is we simply did not have the means to record live within the set timeframe.
2. The comments on Sumerian Records Youtube channel have nothing to do with us. There is however a spam filter on our page to block anything to do with the previous drummer, who is on a mission to air 'dirty laundry' and manipulate everything and everyone within his reach in an attempt to slander my name and The HAARP Machine. He quit the band in an emotionally charged, tactical move and asked to rejoin 12 hours later. He was refused outright and now directs his negative energy and high school drama at us rather than accept the consequences of his belligerence and error. This happened 6 months ago. A sane and confident person would've have used this time to pick up the pieces and move on instead of rolling around in the filth and crying for attention.
For the record - I had the option to rerecord the drums; I chose not to. I had the option to not credit him on the album whatsoever; I chose not to. I have the option to remove his play-through videos of my songs (another story altogether) and shut down his channel; I choose not to. I have the option to expose him for all that he has done and hold him accountable in the public eye; I choose not to.
In time the truth will be realised and those who've made moral judgement based on conjecture and rumour, will have to face the cold stare in the mirror eventually.
''It's harder to live with the truth about you than to live with the lies about me.''
3. Nolly introduced Derya of The Safety Fire and I to this 'tabooed' recording technique a few years ago proclaiming that The Faceless and Veil Of Maya had implemented it on their latest records with great success. This technique has a particular sound and has become commonplace within the community for a variety of purposes. Everyone from Necrophagist to Animals As Leaders has done it and no one is feeling guilty for it.
Those so-called 'musicians' who enforce the completely erroneous notion that technical music must be recorded 'traditionally' to be valid are missing the point completely. This is music; not sports and the less we focus on trivial athleticism the more we can focus on creating and sharing the true essence of why we're all here.
4. @Bulb - I do not know you and you do not know me. I find your involvement and timing in this discussion highly suspect.
I know this because I have definitely experimented with that kinda stuff and it has a very particular sound
The technical parts on the first Periphery record were all recorded like 'that' - Nolly.
''But when doing my playthrough, I wanted people to hear what my Strandberg actually sounds like, so I played it through an amp in one take, filmed that/used the audio from that and not the audio from the album, sure it's not perfect but neither am I, and that's okay.''
The point is valid but it's clear you are trying to belittle me in order to raise your own esteem.
''Again, the argument is not for those tricks in the studio, but in fact using the halfspeed/one note at a time album audio over a video supposedly showcasing a guitar's tone and playing, but subsequently denying that fact and claiming that it is live.''
See #1
so as long as the drummer plays well (their old drummer Craig is incredible
Its clear that youve been acquainted. See preface.
you could technically slop it up and still sound pretty tight overall haha!
Wouldnt this be the same as everyone in your band being tight but you?
''Guitar Pro Songs''
You are an idiot for this statement alone.
''Of course, if you come clean about it there is no issue,''
See #1.
''..it is lying that gets to me personally..''
Hold on to this thought.
''..the deleting of comments calling them out etc.''
See #2.
''I don't even care if the video was mimed, I care that they tried to claim that it wasn't and were very vigilant with deleting any comments that brought the truth forward.''
See #1 & #2
''Basically I am saying that you shouldn't lie. I know, I am old fashioned like that, but I don't think it's right.''
So.
You've stated on numerous occasions that Matt Halpern played in the drums on an electric kit on Periphery's first record, yet our mutual friend informed me that this a LIE and it was all programmed from the onset. A convenient and fool proof LIE if only not for the gossiping tendencies of your new bassist.
Double standards? Hypocrisy? Self-righteousness? You decide.
Like I said, I do not know you and you do not know me. We met once and it was pleasant. Why you felt the need to sink to such depths is beyond me.
You are a 27/28-year-old human adult with talent and success. Theres no need for this kind of behavior.
In future I advise you to refrain from addressing others from that high horse of yours, as it will significantly increase the chances of you falling off and being trampled on.
5. @Maniacal
''I was at that gig, they played to a track that had another guitar playing on it. They did this for the entire Decap tour.
Upon close inspection what I could hear was the play along track.''
Perhaps you were on the wrong side of the room. Perhaps my amp wasn't balanced with the PA. Perhaps the sound engineer let us down. Who knows. The point here is that the track is a 'very tight guitarist' and I have to match it.
6. Thank you to everyone else for the support and not getting caught up in the nonsense. Lets focus on the sonic adventure ahead and not let Chinese whispers divide us.
Good luck and good night.
Captain Butterscotch
Well-Known Member
*slow clap*
bulb
Well-Known Member
Aw this was fun while it lasted...
bulb
Well-Known Member
I even had a playthrough video to prove my point.
But whatever, Al, we won't see eye to eye on any of this obviously, so just be happy for all the extra press you got out of this, yay!
But whatever, Al, we won't see eye to eye on any of this obviously, so just be happy for all the extra press you got out of this, yay!
Fred the Shred
Shrederick
Allow me to clarify one point pertaining the allegations (well, actually simple statements as you have pretty much stated what was previously said): I haven't claimed you were deliberately "faking a demo", but I do find it unnecessary to do all the processing as it will inevitably mask the raw sound and pretty much "kill" a demo on the spot - the accusations pertaining the handling of the processed tracks were directed at Summerian, who manages the channel where the playthrough was posted, as whomever takes care of the PR / YouTube channel deleted every single comment pertaining the simple stating of "these are tracks polished and tracked with a number of production artifacts", not "Al is a tool" or "fake and gay" or whatever insulting / trolling you often find in pretty much any video with good visibility.
Whomever envisioned the end result didn't address is as a commercial as much as they did as a demo, which will then (for obvious reasons) be all but a demo of the instrument as it becomes diluted in the post-processing. This is something that doesn't work, in my opinion. As I've stated before, you can do whatever you please on a record to get your desired results - I use a more "organic" approach, you go for machine-like perfection, all fair game as long as it sounds good.
In the end, I only do care about whether a musician can perform their work competently, without "magic" masking that, and that is easily seen live. Since I do like the music, I expect to see it sooner or later. In light of your statement, as I'm sure you'll understand, my opinion regarding the incredibly poor handling of the simple statement of fact by the person / people in charge of the YT channel stands as is, and won't change.
Other than that, lovely guitar from .strandberg*, as expected.
Whomever envisioned the end result didn't address is as a commercial as much as they did as a demo, which will then (for obvious reasons) be all but a demo of the instrument as it becomes diluted in the post-processing. This is something that doesn't work, in my opinion. As I've stated before, you can do whatever you please on a record to get your desired results - I use a more "organic" approach, you go for machine-like perfection, all fair game as long as it sounds good.
In the end, I only do care about whether a musician can perform their work competently, without "magic" masking that, and that is easily seen live. Since I do like the music, I expect to see it sooner or later. In light of your statement, as I'm sure you'll understand, my opinion regarding the incredibly poor handling of the simple statement of fact by the person / people in charge of the YT channel stands as is, and won't change.
Other than that, lovely guitar from .strandberg*, as expected.
glassmoon0fo
Some Say...
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