engage757
Banned
Again, still trying to play devil's advocate here, but would it surprise any of you to find out that the guy at the gym who went to the cops with this information was recently arrested?
Tim Lambesis arrested for trying to hire someone to kill his wife....
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flint757
Well-Known Member
Is it somehow relevant? Say that is how they found out, because he snitched in the slammer, the words still came out of his own mouth with great ease (plus the murder kit he basically gave to the cop).
engage757
Banned
Did you see this yet?
BLABBERMOUTH.NET - AS I LAY DYING Frontman's Attorney Says TIM LAMBESIS Initially Faced Life Sentence
Faced Life Sentence - May 11, 2013
AS I LAY DYING frontman Tim Lambesis' attorney believes his client may have been the victim of a setup in connection with the singer's alleged attempt to hire someone to kill Lambesis' estranged wife.
Tim was arrested without incident on Tuesday (May 7) around 2 p.m. at a Barnes & Noble bookstore in Oceanside, California and was ordered held on $3 million bail during his arraignment hearing on Thursday. He faces nine years in state prison if convicted.
Prosecutors initially requested that Superior Court Judge Martin Staven set Lambesis' bail at $20 million, saying the singer remains "substantially motivated to kill his wife."
Speaking to Artisan News (see video below), Tim's attorney, Anthony Salerno, revealed that Tim's charges were a lot heavier initially, with the potential consequences being life in jail.
"He was arrested for conspiracy to commit murder, which carries a life sentence, as well as being booked for soliciting murder," Salerno said. "I won't necessarily get too deep [in the details of] the law surrounding conspiracy, but I came to believe very strongly that there is absolutely no way that he could be even charged with conspiracy, much less convicted of it. [So] one of the first things I did was to reach out directly to the [district attorney] that was assigned to the case and had some conversations with her. And she, in fact, did decide for Tim not to be charged with conspiracy, which was a big victory, 'cause that took a potential life sentence off the table before he was even charged. That's something that jumped out at me right away — that I needed to do that early intervention — so we did that."
Salerno also said that Lambesis was originally being held without bail before the attorney was able to intervene.
"At the point Tim was first arrested, the Sheriff's Department asked for and received permission to hold him with no bail," he said. "They got that permission for a judge and I knew that that was well in excess of what the bail schedule in San Diego County calls for. So my next order of business was to try to see what we could do to get that bail… well, first of all, to get a bail, and then to get it set as low as possible. That, of course, was what the bail hearing was about [on Thursday]. I was a little bit disappointed; I thought the bail should have been much lower. The scheduled amount for the charge that he ultimately has now is just $250,000. And, in fact, the scheduled amount for even solicitation to commit murder is a million [dollars]; and the judge set it at three million. So I was a little disappointed that it was that high. On the other hand, the D.A. was asking that the bail continued to be set at no bail whatsoever, and then she said — [which] I thought [was] kind of over the top — that as a backup, it ought to be set at $20 million. I think the fact that an earlier judge had said 'no bail' kind of must have influenced our judge, and that's [why] he set the three million. So right now the gameplan is to try to work on getting Tim out at that three million or possibly to have it lowered."
The lawyer added that someone may have given false information about Lambesis to authorities in order to "save his own skin."
"I would anticipate myself asking for quite a bit of additional discovery, particularly on this person I strongly suspect is a snitch and is an informant for the police and was really creating this whole scenario and sort of setting Tim up," he said. "I believe there's a good probability he may be a police informant. And that information is only available internally with the police department, or in this case the San Diego Sheriff's Department, and through the D.A.'s office, and that's something I'm gonna have to explore as well."
He added: "There's one other element to this, too, which is… I don't want to start to make accusations on this one unless I have some more information, but I will point out that Tim's wife's brother, I understand, is a San Diego Sheriff's deputy, and I think I would be remiss if I didn't fully explore that, 'cause that is a litte bit… it's at the bare minimum very coincidental, and it may be more than that."
According to the San Diego Sheriff's Department web site, as of Friday afternoon (May 10), Lambesis had yet to post bail one day after pleading not guilty to a charge of solicitation of murder. The singer remains behind bars at a Vista, California detention facility and his next court date is set for June 10.
Lambesis was ordered to wear a GPS monitor and turn in his passport and was warned by the judge that, if he is released from jail, he must stay away from his immediate family.
BLABBERMOUTH.NET - AS I LAY DYING Frontman's Attorney Says TIM LAMBESIS Initially Faced Life Sentence
Faced Life Sentence - May 11, 2013
AS I LAY DYING frontman Tim Lambesis' attorney believes his client may have been the victim of a setup in connection with the singer's alleged attempt to hire someone to kill Lambesis' estranged wife.
Tim was arrested without incident on Tuesday (May 7) around 2 p.m. at a Barnes & Noble bookstore in Oceanside, California and was ordered held on $3 million bail during his arraignment hearing on Thursday. He faces nine years in state prison if convicted.
Prosecutors initially requested that Superior Court Judge Martin Staven set Lambesis' bail at $20 million, saying the singer remains "substantially motivated to kill his wife."
Speaking to Artisan News (see video below), Tim's attorney, Anthony Salerno, revealed that Tim's charges were a lot heavier initially, with the potential consequences being life in jail.
"He was arrested for conspiracy to commit murder, which carries a life sentence, as well as being booked for soliciting murder," Salerno said. "I won't necessarily get too deep [in the details of] the law surrounding conspiracy, but I came to believe very strongly that there is absolutely no way that he could be even charged with conspiracy, much less convicted of it. [So] one of the first things I did was to reach out directly to the [district attorney] that was assigned to the case and had some conversations with her. And she, in fact, did decide for Tim not to be charged with conspiracy, which was a big victory, 'cause that took a potential life sentence off the table before he was even charged. That's something that jumped out at me right away — that I needed to do that early intervention — so we did that."
Salerno also said that Lambesis was originally being held without bail before the attorney was able to intervene.
"At the point Tim was first arrested, the Sheriff's Department asked for and received permission to hold him with no bail," he said. "They got that permission for a judge and I knew that that was well in excess of what the bail schedule in San Diego County calls for. So my next order of business was to try to see what we could do to get that bail… well, first of all, to get a bail, and then to get it set as low as possible. That, of course, was what the bail hearing was about [on Thursday]. I was a little bit disappointed; I thought the bail should have been much lower. The scheduled amount for the charge that he ultimately has now is just $250,000. And, in fact, the scheduled amount for even solicitation to commit murder is a million [dollars]; and the judge set it at three million. So I was a little disappointed that it was that high. On the other hand, the D.A. was asking that the bail continued to be set at no bail whatsoever, and then she said — [which] I thought [was] kind of over the top — that as a backup, it ought to be set at $20 million. I think the fact that an earlier judge had said 'no bail' kind of must have influenced our judge, and that's [why] he set the three million. So right now the gameplan is to try to work on getting Tim out at that three million or possibly to have it lowered."
The lawyer added that someone may have given false information about Lambesis to authorities in order to "save his own skin."
"I would anticipate myself asking for quite a bit of additional discovery, particularly on this person I strongly suspect is a snitch and is an informant for the police and was really creating this whole scenario and sort of setting Tim up," he said. "I believe there's a good probability he may be a police informant. And that information is only available internally with the police department, or in this case the San Diego Sheriff's Department, and through the D.A.'s office, and that's something I'm gonna have to explore as well."
He added: "There's one other element to this, too, which is… I don't want to start to make accusations on this one unless I have some more information, but I will point out that Tim's wife's brother, I understand, is a San Diego Sheriff's deputy, and I think I would be remiss if I didn't fully explore that, 'cause that is a litte bit… it's at the bare minimum very coincidental, and it may be more than that."
According to the San Diego Sheriff's Department web site, as of Friday afternoon (May 10), Lambesis had yet to post bail one day after pleading not guilty to a charge of solicitation of murder. The singer remains behind bars at a Vista, California detention facility and his next court date is set for June 10.
Lambesis was ordered to wear a GPS monitor and turn in his passport and was warned by the judge that, if he is released from jail, he must stay away from his immediate family.
crg123
SS.orgLocalArchitect
Not to bring knock the seriousness of this case but....
This clip is 1000x funnier since he's in Austrian Death Machine
Captain_Awesome
Cloudwalker
His lawyer sounds like a Weasel
flint757
Well-Known Member
I'll say it again, even if the guy was a snitch nobody forced him to say "I want you (Red) to kill my wife". 
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His lawyer is doing a fair job of casting doubt, though, which is all that is need for Tim to walk away unscathed.
<paraphrasing>His lawyer is doing a fair job of casting doubt, though, which is all that is need for Tim to walk away unscathed.
engage757
Banned
Again, playing devil's advocate.
I think this could have the chance of being blown way out of proportion by the media. It is important to try to see both sides. He is innocent until proven guilty, and he hasn't been proven guilty. yet.
My opinion? Irrelevant. I HOPE it isn't true. But the media is doing a supremely good job of hyping it either way.
Guess we will find out. Sucks, I would have loved to see them with the KSE boys!
I think this could have the chance of being blown way out of proportion by the media. It is important to try to see both sides. He is innocent until proven guilty, and he hasn't been proven guilty. yet.
My opinion? Irrelevant. I HOPE it isn't true. But the media is doing a supremely good job of hyping it either way.
Guess we will find out. Sucks, I would have loved to see them with the KSE boys!
engage757
Banned
ummm... EVERY lawyer is a weasel. It's their job.
The D.A. seems like a bitch too! On a side note, a buddy of mine is an assistant D.A. in an EXTREMELY large un-named city in FLorida, and he is a total bastard. I think you just have to be in a job like that. You have to be willing to face ridicule, public opinion and shit-storms. The stress of having someone's life in the balance is enough to do that to anyone I think.
flint757
Well-Known Member
While it is certainly possible he didn't do it, innocent until proven guilty is only applicable in the legal sense because being found not guilty doesn't mean he didn't do it, only that he MAY not have done it. The distinction is quite important IMO.
jwade
Doooooooooom
Set up? Please. Unless he was tied to a chair with a knife to his throat, and someone told him he had to say "I will pay you to kill my wife", he wasn't 'set up'. It seems pretty simple to me, whether or not someone talking to him gave him the courage to go through with meeting a supposed 'hitman', it was HIS choice to meet with someone, give them money, and say 'kill her'.
nothingleft09
What... the... F@#k!
The thing here is, his mental health at the time will be relevant. If his mental health was all jacked up (which seems like) then a good lawyer is going to argue that the informant led him to the point and Lambesis was very coercible due to his mental state. He may do some jail time. But first offence (which it also seems like this is his first) and all that I've already mentioned will fall into play. The thing is, any amount of his sentence can be suspended. He will most likely do some time, 1-2 years and then be on probation or something like that. They can give him 10 years, suspend 5 of it and he's out in 2.5 years with good time and any sentence reductions he gets, (college classes, anger management, substance abuse) will cut his sentence down even further up to 1/3 of his sentence.
Hell. I KNOW a guy from where I live, went into a home, robbed, and killed a woman. They gave him 20 years, with good time that was 10, he got his degree in prison and was out in 7.5 years. Hell of a 20 year sentence isn't it?
Hell. I KNOW a guy from where I live, went into a home, robbed, and killed a woman. They gave him 20 years, with good time that was 10, he got his degree in prison and was out in 7.5 years. Hell of a 20 year sentence isn't it?
Demiurge
Well-Known Member
That's possible, but his lawyer is going to need to commit to a counter-narrative, then. In that lawyer's statement posted above, he seems to be pushing a little too hard on the "it's a set-up/there was a snitch" angle.
Indeed, it's possible for one to be "set up" and to be of unsound mind, but what will the jury think if the defense first disputes the evidence, then later concedes the evidence (if it has proved to be as damning as it is claimed to be by authorities) with an insanity plea?
Korbain
Stay negative!
heard this the other day! wtf! seriously messed up. Glad the law caught up with him before he went through with this and fucked up alot of peoples lives.
On a side note, some of the stuff in this thread cracked me up lol as fucked up and serious as this, i love this site
On a side note, some of the stuff in this thread cracked me up lol as fucked up and serious as this, i love this site
Darren James
Well-Known Member
As for steroid use, although I've never used them myself, I do go to the gym 6 days a week and talk regularly to those who take them. Most are just your average individual like you and I except for one guy who told me he was getting off them as he was going through a custody battle and ever since he started taking them, he said he was having thoughts on how to kill her and make things "better". Thing was, I talked to this guy regularly and never would I have thought I'd hear that out of his mouth. He quit taking them and he said his anger and strange thoughts went away. In no way am I saying this is what happened as I have no idea but the odd time, they can have an effect on the mind.
Demiurge
Well-Known Member
I suppose that if steroids would be claimed to be a factor for this guy's mental health, the next question would be if the apparent side-effects would constitute a valid defense. I did a quick Google search and found this article: Bigger, stronger, angrier and mentally ill? Experts weigh legal defense of steroid withdrawal - phillyburbs.com:
I have only skimmed the article at this point, but this jumped-out:
California might be different from PA with regard to "voluntary intoxication", but perhaps the harder thing to defend is the alleged premeditation. We think of 'roid rage as the result of sudden Hulk-Smash mood swings... but can that be blamed for something that seemed to have been carefully planned?
I have only skimmed the article at this point, but this jumped-out:
California might be different from PA with regard to "voluntary intoxication", but perhaps the harder thing to defend is the alleged premeditation. We think of 'roid rage as the result of sudden Hulk-Smash mood swings... but can that be blamed for something that seemed to have been carefully planned?
Konfyouzd
Return of the Dread-I
Either way I think its fucking stupid to have hot liquids in a moving vehicle... Your mileage may vary...
BaptizedBurning
Well-Known Member
Insanity defense because of steroid use?
That defense didn't work out so good for the millions of other illegal drug users in prison.
I definitely don't buy the whole set up/jailhouse snitch scenario. I'm sure the defense will make the argument that it's all a big misunderstanding and he wasn't actually going to go through with the act. I think there's more than enough evidence to convict him or convince him to plead guilty.
But since he's such a good Christian, god will forgive him for any sins...unless he's gay.
That defense didn't work out so good for the millions of other illegal drug users in prison.
I definitely don't buy the whole set up/jailhouse snitch scenario. I'm sure the defense will make the argument that it's all a big misunderstanding and he wasn't actually going to go through with the act. I think there's more than enough evidence to convict him or convince him to plead guilty.
But since he's such a good Christian, god will forgive him for any sins...unless he's gay.
Captain_Awesome
Cloudwalker
ummm... EVERY lawyer is a weasel. It's their job.
The D.A. seems like a bitch too! On a side note, a buddy of mine is an assistant D.A. in an EXTREMELY large un-named city in FLorida, and he is a total bastard. I think you just have to be in a job like that. You have to be willing to face ridicule, public opinion and shit-storms. The stress of having someone's life in the balance is enough to do that to anyone I think.
Haha, I wouldn't say 'every' lawyer, I've been friends with several who are great guys; however they've all been working in family or corporate law, none of this here murder business.
Sikthness
Well-Known Member
the part that blows my mind is trusting someone to successfully murder your wife, without leaving behind dna/evidence, and then keeping their mouth shut and generally being professional about the whole thing and getting rid of any trace of transaction or interaction before the act. Tim seems to believe he met the individual who possessed this level of professionalism, and that this person charges $1000 haha . Brb gotta commit murder for hire once a week just to make ends meet.
GalacticDeath
Well-Known Member
lol he definitely doesn't look like he's on roids. I don't think anybody would buy that defense.
