Abasi Concepts/Larada Megathread

[ChugThisBoy]

I still dont understand how ppl can toss their money into such a stupid design. And the fact that the design somehow attract ppl to burn their money even more so. Now this is just a permanent stain on Abasi's career and dude exposed himself to be a terrible businessman. Just stick to Animals as Leaders.

Maybe AAL is not generating enough money these days, dunno. People are trying new things to see what happens and if they're profitable. Design is a matter of opinion and they may be comfortable to one person but won't be the same to another. But yeah, this whole drama is gonna leave a dirty scar unfortunately

 

[Fred the Shred]

AAL and Abasi Concepts are not the same thing, and they exist in totally indepedent forms as business entities. To assume the profitability of one endeavour, especially given the necessary ups and downs in between touring cycles, would jeopardize the funding of the other's most basic operation would be to assume the most supreme incompetence and ignorance regarding the sort of funding require to start a new business, especially when you need to keep stock of necessary parts and basic maintenance of production tools at the very least, not to mention ensuring a time span in between batches (which in this case would be from launch to order completion and delivery) is duly financed, operational margin included. In spite of all the grave mistakes here, I seriously doubt that would be the case. "Have no money, let's make a company based on the production of physical goods" is as suicidal from the onset as it gets.

 

[MrWulf]

It probably wasnt the case, but something is fucked up from the business side of things. Not like musicians are known to be deft money manager or anything he said awkwardly, remembering all the guitars and gears he had brought/sold

 

[Fred the Shred]

Exactly - there are glaring, critical flaws in this whole endeavour from the beginning, and they are obviously not sorted yet, assuming they'll ever be, but were we to find out (protip: we won't) the whole thing was set in motion without appropriate funding BECAUSE the people handling the financial aspect had basically planned to used non-guaranteed funding to withstand the earlier times where there's basically no guaranteed cashflow for a variable amount of time, this would be the usual cock-up we often find in fly-by-night luthiers, where it goes down in flames when the luthier discovers the pricing makes the business unsustainable, thus orders are completed with the money of the following ones' deposits at first and then ends with the grand finale: do I eat or finish these builds?

The operations in question aren't massive in the slightest, but we are talking about relatively small shops, and if things are to roll on a contractor basis, you'll have to fork out the moolah lest other batches that do pay the bills take precedence, since shockingly businesses require money to function. Slot management also has a number of variations to it, and you can have variable delays in production due to a number of factors that can stem from the company hiring you or be completely alien to them (parts being the a common culprit).

 

[Tsathoggua]

I still dont understand how ppl can toss their money into such a stupid design. And the fact that the design somehow attract ppl to burn their money even more so. Now this is just a permanent stain on Abasi's career and dude exposed himself to be a terrible businessman. Just stick to Animals as Leaders.

Beauty is in the eyes of that one D&D monster etc., but I have to say, these instruments are probably my favourite design of any guitar I've yet seen. Ergonomic, fanfret, a singlecut shape and all that without a decapitation, nay even with a beautiful headstock? Sign me up! Except I could never afford one. I just hope these people somehow get their act together and maybe one day even produce a budget version.

 

[Jack McGoldrick]

Would be a dream if we went full circle and the design goes back to Ibanez or Ibanez make their own iteration to get a decent price and good quality

 

[StevenC]

Would be a dream if we went full circle and the design goes back to Ibanez or Ibanez make their own iteration to get a decent price and good quality

Owning a TAM100 and remembering the farce that came with their release back then, I'm not so fussed on Tosin going back to Ibanez with a more complicated design.

 

[Jack McGoldrick]

Owning a TAM100 and remembering the farce that came with their release back then, I'm not so fussed on Tosin going back to Ibanez with a more complicated design.

What was the farce? I’m kinda thinking like a jem type idea, when superstrats were big, Ibanez got vain his super strat thing. Now we’ve got the rise of ERGs and ergonomic designs so you can see how Ibanez would want to capitalise off of that.

 

[StevenC]

What was the farce? I’m kinda thinking like a jem type idea, when superstrats were big, Ibanez got vain his super strat thing. Now we’ve got the rise of ERGs and ergonomic designs so you can see how Ibanez would want to capitalise off of that.

That so many of them turned out to be complete crap. A few guys on this forum bought and returned several before giving up. They had terrible quality control on them, and the TAM is just a RG2228 with a wenge neck.

 

[A-Branger]

Ibanez is not going to release that shape. IF and IF they are the ones suing, is not because they want to release it, it would be more of a making a $ from the process.

Ibanez might have story of releasing weird shapes, but also has a story of failing with those shapes. Even the iconic Iceman, its not sold very well so now its down to a 1 model only in a few selected countries.

the RGs are what makes them $$$$, so they would keep pushing those (or the AZ series now). EVen with the revival of the X shape you have currently, they stll wont have any interest to re-release them

And the true is that IF Tosin come back to Ibanez (which wont happen at this point), or would have stayed there, we would be seeing ONE Prestige model in 8 string (either black, or the white prototype) which would be over 4k$, and maybe in two-four years time an Indo version of it, again in 8 string. Tosin is not known for playing 6 strings, so Ibanez wont release his in 6. Just like the TAMs you would have two options and be done. Thats the reason why TOsin left and decided to do this venture. Heck, jsut look at how long its been for Ibanez to release JakeB models (indo, new strings, new colors)

 

[GuitarBizarre]

Ibanez is not going to release that shape. IF and IF they are the ones suing, is not because they want to release it, it would be more of a making a $ from the process.

Ibanez might have story of releasing weird shapes, but also has a story of failing with those shapes. Even the iconic Iceman, its not sold very well so now its down to a 1 model only in a few selected countries.

the RGs are what makes them $$$$, so they would keep pushing those (or the AZ series now). EVen with the revival of the X shape you have currently, they stll wont have any interest to re-release them

And the true is that IF Tosin come back to Ibanez (which wont happen at this point), or would have stayed there, we would be seeing ONE Prestige model in 8 string (either black, or the white prototype) which would be over 4k$, and maybe in two-four years time an Indo version of it, again in 8 string. Tosin is not known for playing 6 strings, so Ibanez wont release his in 6. Just like the TAMs you would have two options and be done. Thats the reason why TOsin left and decided to do this venture. Heck, jsut look at how long its been for Ibanez to release JakeB models (indo, new strings, new colors)

Also the Glaive, the Falchion, the Xiphos, the Halberd, the 540P, hell even the Talman failed on first release...

 

[Fred the Shred]

I seriously doubt Hoshino would ever bother going after Tosin unless some amazingly serious mischief was in place, and there is zero evidence even suggesting that was the case. There are far, far, FAR greater chances of a smaller corporation or individual doing so, and even in that case (assuming the existence of said suit at all) it can be tied to whatever matter, even though odds would point at the guitar manufacturing side of things given the way things have been going thus far, and that can be about... well, anything really.

 

[jephjacques]

That so many of them turned out to be complete crap. A few guys on this forum bought and returned several before giving up. They had terrible quality control on them, and the TAM is just a RG2228 with a wenge neck.

Yeah I bought no less than three and they all went back for being garbage, what a trashfire of a guitar line that was

 

[Seabeast2000]

I suppose they could have just done a white w/ maple version of the M8xm series and called it the Closin Enoughi.

 

[Vyn]

I suppose they could have just done a white w/ maple version of the M8xm series and called it the Closin Enoughi.

Yeah, given how well the M80M and M8M turned out, no idea how the hell they fucked up the TAM. Especially as people mentioned, it was a tarted up 2228/RG8 (high-end/low end) really when the Meshuggah sigs were unlike anything they had released to the public before.

 

[ThePIGI King]

Yeah, given how well the M80M and M8M turned out, no idea how the hell they fucked up the TAM. Especially as people mentioned, it was a tarted up 2228/RG8 (high-end/low end) really when the Meshuggah sigs were unlike anything they had released to the public before.

I'd never heard any gripes on the TAM10? Are there any?

And as the TAM100, I was under the impression that only the first batch was bad, and that the flukes were worked out. Could be wrong. I do agree, especially since the JCRG13-8 is literally almost the same thing as well. Makes no sense that the TAM should be that bad. My wenge necked Ibby is pretty amaze-balls and I'd love an 8 with that same feeling neck.

Bring back Tosin Ibanez!

 

[Jack McGoldrick]

Ibasi.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

I'd never heard any gripes on the TAM10? Are there any?

And as the TAM100, I was under the impression that only the first batch was bad, and that the flukes were worked out. Could be wrong. I do agree, especially since the JCRG13-8 is literally almost the same thing as well. Makes no sense that the TAM should be that bad. My wenge necked Ibby is pretty amaze-balls and I'd love an 8 with that same feeling neck.

Bring back Tosin Ibanez!

From what I understand, the process of bringing the TAM100 to market was both difficult and rushed. Volume was low enough that issues typically resolved through production maturity just didn't take place.

Also, the wenge Hoshino or Fujigen sourced was definitely not properly prepared or stored. Shrunk like crazy which lead to the infamous neck pocket and fretwork issues.

Really just a shit show.

The good ones are really great though.

 

[jmeezle]

I'd never heard any gripes on the TAM10? Are there any?

And as the TAM100, I was under the impression that only the first batch was bad, and that the flukes were worked out. Could be wrong. I do agree, especially since the JCRG13-8 is literally almost the same thing as well. Makes no sense that the TAM should be that bad. My wenge necked Ibby is pretty amaze-balls and I'd love an 8 with that same feeling neck.

Bring back Tosin Ibanez!

My TAM10 has been a god damned workhorse for almost 5 years. I'm guessing I got a good one?

 

[Matt08642]

I just wanted a space tele