Anyone here own a Jackson Misha sig?

[Moongrum]

Makes me wonder why Indo Jacksons are so shit while the Indo-made PRS SEs I've had are some of the best imports I've tried even though they come from the same factory lol

I was under the impression that PRS had it's own section of the factory to itself.



I assume Jackson's stuff is made together with all the other brands that Cort contracts with, which I assume is manufactured at a different price point and QA.

 

[nightsprinter]

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I was under the impression that PRS had it's own section of the factory to itself.
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I assume Jackson's stuff is made together with all the other brands that Cort contracts with, which I assume is manufactured at a different price point and QA.

Off topic but If anyone ever goes to visit the cort factory, tell whoever is doing the fret leveling in the Ibanez bass department that they suck.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Makes me wonder why Indo Jacksons are so shit while the Indo-made PRS SEs I've had are some of the best imports I've tried even though they come from the same factory lol

The factory just makes them.

PRS has an entire additional facility that gets them playable.

Brands like Jackson outsource more of the QA/QC to the OEMs, who have a vested interest in passing as much as possible, and it shows in what makes it to retail.

Ibanez has their distributiors do some QA/QC in the respective regions. Gibson checks all Epiphones in house before they go to retailers in the US. Oddly enough, Fender does it on some lines, but that doesn't seem to make it to Jackson.

 

[MetalDestroyer]

but that doesn't seem to make it to Jackson.

Or Charvel's MIM line. I have literally never - and I mean not even one single exception between Missouri, Oklahoma, SD and LA - picked one up that didn't have abominable fret sprout. The only Charvel I've ever held with nice frets was one of the MIJs.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Or Charvel's MIM line. I have literally never - and I mean not even one single exception between Missouri, Oklahoma, SD and LA - picked one up that didn't have abominable fret sprout. The only Charvel I've ever held with nice frets was one of the MIJs.

Fret sprout usually pops up later, when they sit in warehouses and in transit.

That's why it's so prevalent.

The only way to catch it is to let the guitars sit for days/weeks and hit them just before shipment, which is what a lot of manufacturers do on higher end instruments.

 

[MetalDestroyer]

Fret sprout usually pops up later, when they sit in warehouses and in transit.

That's why it's so prevalent.

The only way to catch it is to let the guitars sit for days/weeks and hit them just before shipment, which is what a lot of manufacturers do on higher end instruments.

Are you saying all those guitar marketing people who told me that roasted maple necks are immune to fret sprout were lying?? Do we really think huge corporations would just lie to customers to make a few hundred million dollars? I’m not buying it

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Are you saying all those guitar marketing people who told me that roasted maple necks are immune to fret sprout were lying?? Do we really think huge corporations would just lie to customers to make a few hundred million dollars? I’m not buying it

Do they really claim that?

 

[sell2792]

Makes me wonder why Indo Jacksons are so shit while the Indo-made PRS SEs I've had are some of the best imports I've tried even though they come from the same factory lol

Even the import Charvels are miles ahead of equivalent Jackson’s.

 

[SalsaWood]

IIRC Kiesel has said that in the past about his roasted boards being more stable. If anything the opposite would be the case for the same reasons, but regardless it's a pretty bunk factor to consider in reality. Maybe he said it was bunk and I'm just mistakenly recalling it to be one of the routinely dumbassed things that come out of his mouth. It takes two minutes to fix in any case, and if I owned a music store none of my stock would be sitting around with fret sprout, but it happens. Supposedly it doesn't happen with richlite, but I know a lot less about that material.

Environmental swings through longer time periods are the real cause. Like a guitar living in the high desert then gets shipped to the swamps of the south, things are gonna move.

 

[will_shred]

Are you saying all those guitar marketing people who told me that roasted maple necks are immune to fret sprout were lying?? Do we really think huge corporations would just lie to customers to make a few hundred million dollars? I’m not buying it

My Harley Benton came with fret sprout but at least it has a two way truss rod

I've seen a fair share of new Jacksons, most of them are pretty awful. I think at the end of the day its up to the company to do the final QC, and PRS just has much higher quality standards than Jackson.

 

[jephjacques]

Supposedly it doesn't happen with richlite, but I know a lot less about that material.

I have several guitars with richlite boards and can confirm that I've never had any fret sprout issues with them.

 

[soul_lip_mike]

Do they really claim that?

I had a Mexican charvel strat with a roasted neck and it DEFFFFINITELY had sprout. It was bad like shredding the side of my index finger in the winter time. Where I live (DC area) it gets really humid in the summer and winter is pretty dry.

 

[nightsprinter]

I just wanted to add that the whole marketing with torrefied necks that I've heard about is that by removing the moisture through the process, the necks become more stable. I would have presumed that the process would remove enough moisture to not further shrink during very dry times of year. Yet I find consistently like others that the Charvel "caramelized" necks (whatever that means) shrink like crazy in dry environments. Is this a byproduct of the time/temperature the necks are subject to in the process not being adequate? Is it the general environment of Mexico which leads to issues when the guitars enter drier areas despite being torrefied in Mexico? Is the whole thing BS and "caramelized" is used instead of "torrefied" to muddy the waters and evade liability of further shrinkage, i.e. "well we never said they were TORREFIED, we just said they were caramelized" - I have no idea. But my life is sad enough that these are things things I think about alot and feel like the meme of the guy in bed with his gal where she's assuming what he's thinking about.

There are some crazy long threads about the torrefication process on Talkbass which I've read. It's complicated enough that when I finished, I felt like I was less certain than when I went into it.

 

[SalsaWood]

You can get a more stable molecular arrangement with wood cellulose, but it involves the chemical removal of lignin from the wood and/or the addition of stabilizer with lots of pressure. Pretty much results in a totally mechanically different material. If you just dehydrate it with heat, I would think that over time it will again take on water from the environment and behave the same as any other piece of wood.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

I just wanted to add that the whole marketing with torrefied necks that I've heard about is that by removing the moisture through the process, the necks become more stable. I would have presumed that the process would remove enough moisture to not further shrink during very dry times of year. Yet I find consistently like others that the Charvel "caramelized" necks (whatever that means) shrink like crazy in dry environments. Is this a byproduct of the time/temperature the necks are subject to in the process not being adequate? Is it the general environment of Mexico which leads to issues when the guitars enter drier areas despite being torrefied in Mexico? Is the whole thing BS and "caramelized" is used instead of "torrefied" to muddy the waters and evade liability of further shrinkage, i.e. "well we never said they were TORREFIED, we just said they were caramelized" - I have no idea. But my life is sad enough that these are things things I think about alot and feel like the meme of the guy in bed with his gal where she's assuming what he's thinking about.

There are some crazy long threads about the torrefication process on Talkbass which I've read. It's complicated enough that when I finished, I felt like I was less certain than when I went into it.

It's another example of what was once a very pricise process done on a small scale by specialty builders and vendors is now being done on a very large scale using processes that maximize throughput.

Whenever quantity is the goal, quality on the per-piece basis usually suffers.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Ngl this is the first time I've ever heard of roasted maple preventing fret sprout lol. I had a Michael Kelly guitar (a nightmare don't recommend them tbh) that had awful fret sprout and had a roasted maple neck. And funny enough it was one of only 2 guitars I've had that had that severe of fret sprout lol

 

[Metal Mortician]

From my understanding, Torrefaction requires specific heat and pressure to achieve results. Conversely, modern 'Caramelization/ Roasting' on a mass scale is either a top coat of brown on the maple OR a very light burnishing/ baking. I would like to see a cross section of a Charvel or Jackson with a caramalized neck to see how far the process really goes.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

From my understanding, Torrefaction requires specific heat and pressure to achieve results. Conversely, modern 'Caramelization/ Roasting' on a mass scale is either a top coat of brown on the maple OR a very light burnishing/ baking. I would like to see a cross section of a Charvel or Jackson with a caramalized neck to see how far the process really goes.

The Michael Kelly I talked about before is FUBAR so I'm tempted to cut through it (or what I can) to see how deep it goes. I've been curious about it ever since some of these debates came up in the first place, especially when Guitar Fetish started selling "roasted" maple guitars.

 

[nightsprinter]

From my understanding, Torrefaction requires specific heat and pressure to achieve results. Conversely, modern 'Caramelization/ Roasting' on a mass scale is either a top coat of brown on the maple OR a very light burnishing/ baking. I would like to see a cross section of a Charvel or Jackson with a caramalized neck to see how far the process really goes.

For comparison, I speak from experience that the Sire jazz bass I had with a roasted neck (V5R) had a coat of dark dye on it. I forget what I was doing, but I accidentally rubbed some off. Additionally, I removed the neck and inspected the neck bolt holes and found the coloration to penetrate on just a bare surface level. At the point of the first screw thread, it was pretty light maple. I didn't do any further surgery to find out whether it was pure dye or actually roasted in some capacity, but it had the most unstable neck of anything I've ever had. Still thought it was a tree. Sold it. The other 2 Sires I've had with non-roasted necks have been incredibly stable. Go figure.

 

[Lawyer85]

I have a Misha Sig Import Model, with a low Setup for Strings and i have no Problem at all with the neck.
Maybe i got a good one, who knows ?

Bodyshape and Neck are great, it´s my most played guitar.