I unknowingly bought a Kiesel that someone made a 22 page thread complaining about.

[lurè]

They're spot on quality wise and really consistent but totally not fairly priced, at least not anymore imho.

If i had to reorder one of my two vaders,same specs, I would pay something like 800$ dollars more than i did.

The finishes like chameleon or sparkle have always been uber priced, but now they've inflated all the prices for every single spec: 300$ for a satin finish on a neckthrou guitar Is robbery.

Considering import taxes, a simple vader with solid color finish, 5 piece satin neck, would cost me more then 3k. At that price i'd look somewhere else.

 

[Whoman Bean]

(...) disgusting guitars that look like a normal guitar that was adjusted randomly in that pinch-and-pull game in Super Mario Party.

Finally someone said it. As much as I don't care about burl tops, those ugly shapes of Kiesel bother me big time, it's a mystery to me how the fuck people buy those monstrosity.

 

[CanserDYI]

I personally think the Vanquish is one of the best guitar shapes I've ever seen. Comfy, not strat, tele, or LP derived, looks awesome shameless show off:

 

[nightsprinter]

I personally think the Vanquish is one of the best guitar shapes I've ever seen. Comfy, not strat, tele, or LP derived, looks awesome shameless show off:

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I like it. Horns remind me a little of Warwick basses which are pretty dope.

 

[narad]

I personally think the Vanquish is one of the best guitar shapes I've ever seen. Comfy, not strat, tele, or LP derived, looks awesome shameless show off:

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I'm sorry, but it's just so incredibly arbitrary. Like a child's drawing of a stratocaster.

 

[CanserDYI]

I'm sorry, but it's just so incredibly arbitrary. Like a child's drawing of a stratocaster.

That's, like, your opinion, man. I don't usually like Jeff's designs, I get edgelord vibes from most of them. The Vanquish feels "elegant offset" meets "headless modern metal" to me, in such a comfortable form, without feeling edge lord-y.

 

[slim231990]

Yea price increases really do suck in a capitalistic society. I wanna make it clear that I bought my last Kiesel in 2018 or 2019 and if I was to go on the builder and build the same specs today ....it's allot more now lmao. I lucked out having all my builds pre covid.

One thing I will stand firm on is that every Kiesel I've had was better than my experience with Gibson Custom (check out how much their prices have gone up lmao). My old UV777 was about the only guitar that was close to or equal quality. But as others have mentioned I feel like once you get around the 2000 price tag the quality factor really doesn't go up much from there. If you're in that price range and want someting like a Gibson standard LP or an expensive American fender your doing a disservice to youself by not at least looking into Kiesel IMHO. YMMV

 

[narad]

That's, like, your opinion, man. I don't usually like Jeff's designs, I get edgelord vibes from most of them. The Vanquish feels "elegant offset" meets "headless modern metal" to me, in such a comfortable form, without feeling edge lord-y.

Well it does look comfortable, at least.

 

[nightsprinter]

I've said this multiple times that I'll never directly give Kiesel my money, but I will absolutely buy a used one off some poor bastard who is desperately trying to sell it for a fraction of what they paid for it. That's where the value is these days and always has been.

 

[nightsprinter]

Someone should definitely go bag this for $1250, play it for a couple months, and sell it to me for $1100 paypal f+f

https://reverb.com/item/81907862-kiesel-dc800-2019

 

[prlgmnr]

(I write this about a meter away from a Carvin HH1x)

is this like that old saying that you're never more than 6ft away from a rat

 

[prlgmnr]

you could unknowingly be much nearer to a Kiesel than you think RIGHT NOW

 

[narad]

is this like that old saying that you're never more than 6ft away from a rat

Each year the average American will play 8 or more Kiesels while they are asleep

IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOUUU!!

 

[slim231990]

Each year the average American will play 8 or more Kiesels while they are asleep

IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOUUU!!

That my friend is what I'd consider a wet dream.

 

[CanserDYI]

One thing I will say, having ordered a Kiesel and had a great experience....

The DC700 that's in my store is a dog and we have discounted it so many times and still sitting there. That guitar and others experiences and Jeff's attitude have completely put me off buying another one.

I absolutely adore mine, but I don't wanna roll the dice again.

 

[Moongrum]

I absolutely adore mine, but I don't wanna roll the dice again.

It's kind of bananas, that so many people online (including me) have a trepidation of ordering Kiesel because of how they operate and their owner's attitude. As a company, it's so easy to speak in a professional manner and take the higher road. They don't even have to bend over backwards for a customer, just don't be an ass about it.
This one sticks out to me, at 14:49

Guy was having to go back and forth with Jeff asking about the shoddy inlays, and he responded "I am not going to have you knock my work, show some respect" like dude wtf. Even if the customer was being unreasonable, why be like that
The side inlays were shoddy, too, mine don't look like that. It's one thing on an import, but it's another on K-series that's thousands of dollars that Jeff seems to think should compete with Suhr and PRS.

 

[nightsprinter]

Respect needs to be earned on a person to person basis.

 

[narad]

It's kind of bananas, that so many people online (including me) have a trepidation of ordering Kiesel because of how they operate and their owner's attitude. As a company, it's so easy to speak in a professional manner and take the higher road. They don't even have to bend over backwards for a customer, just don't be an ass about it.
This one sticks out to me, at 14:49

Guy was having to go back and forth with Jeff asking about the shoddy inlays, and he responded "I am not going to have you knock my work, show some respect" like dude wtf. Even if the customer was being unreasonable, why be like that
The side inlays were shoddy, too, mine don't look like that. It's one thing on an import, but it's another on K-series that's thousands of dollars that Jeff seems to think should compete with Suhr and PRS.

lol, whose fuckin' idea was it to review a guitar and a beer in the same video. I mean... I know whose idea, but why? WHY!?

 

[Randy]

I just want to see this thread hit 23 pages.

 

[Randy]

lol, whose fuckin' idea was it to review a guitar and a beer in the same video. I mean... I know whose idea, but why? WHY!?

I really don't like Arnold's channel. Maybe he's gotten better but he was on my radar when the channel was new, he was not a very good player, his audio and video production were both rather poor, his on camera skills were poor, yet he was still soliciting sponsors and free gear when he was like sub-25k subscribers.

You can get away with a couple of those things but not all of them without feeling like you just made a channel for free stuff.