ExMachina
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Saw that and it looks like a nam pedal will be coming,.it was only a matter of time.
NAM Pedal Coming?
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Jon Pearson
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Interesting if true. If they play this right they could dominate.
HeHasTheJazzHands
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Just in time to kneecap Kemper's new pedal huh lol
MatrixClaw
Whoaaa No Way!!!
Interesting. It's going to have to be priced pretty aggressively to compete with ToneX Pedal, which is basically its main competitor.
ExMachina
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Nam being open source could also be appealing to some. It's like a Linux vs Windows thing.
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I wonder since the project is open source we might see the JOYO’s of the world making NAM compatible pedals. There is not a lot stopping them from doing so.
I wonder since the project is open source we might see the JOYO’s of the world making NAM compatible pedals. There is not a lot stopping them from doing so.
MatrixClaw
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I work in software and open source on a product like this doesn't really appeal to me. I see NAM as a plugin for people who like tinkering with things and enjoys the struggles of getting things working optimal on their machine. I don't think it's really something that has a mass market appeal, especially when it's going up against a big company like IK who has been doing modeling and guitar plugins longer than almost everyone.
NAM will likely remain better because it's open source and there's more available devs who are passionate about the product, but it's a very niche product for most musicians. The only way it will make a dent in the amount of ToneX users is if it is priced really low. You said it yourself, it's kind of like a Linux vs Windows/Apple thing - the amount of musicians who want to use Linux for their machine is very, very low - I suspect NAM is interesting to most people in this way because it's free and open source - then they read the getting started guide and gloss over the instructions and realize they'd rather just buy the ToneX Pedal and click on an installer and be in business
narad
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Agreed. There's an economies of scale thing, too. It's difficult to think that the best consumer option is going to be a boutique, barebones, buggy pedal with essentially no customer support, running NAM in a minimal environment, vs., as mentioned before, JOYO or any other established company integrating these types of models into some proprietary pedal by experienced engineers. That includes how the margins will work -- so would you want to pay more for less? That will be the NAM pedal solution.
I have tinkered and even published in this open sourcey amp simulation space before, and while I did and still do want to open source things, it's depressing that the only outcome I see from releasing this stuff is you essentially enable existing companies to leverage some ML knowledge without making those investments themselves, but it is what it is. Then again, at this point, it's not like these models are innovative or difficult to understand, either. The difficulty actually isn't in the amp modeling, it's in the product and device side.
I have tinkered and even published in this open sourcey amp simulation space before, and while I did and still do want to open source things, it's depressing that the only outcome I see from releasing this stuff is you essentially enable existing companies to leverage some ML knowledge without making those investments themselves, but it is what it is. Then again, at this point, it's not like these models are innovative or difficult to understand, either. The difficulty actually isn't in the amp modeling, it's in the product and device side.
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NAM player (pre-order 2nd batch) – Dimehead
www.dimehead.de
Looks like you can preorder. Price is whatever, everything's expensive these days.
ATRguitar91
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Really cool someone has done this, would be more compelling at a lower price. Although, I guess if you bought a laptop, interface, and midi controller, it'd be around this cost and less convenient.
Seems only a matter of time until Hotone or Mooer does some version of this but a lot cheaper.
Seems only a matter of time until Hotone or Mooer does some version of this but a lot cheaper.
MatrixClaw
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+1 to this. Especially now that ToneX One is out, the pricing is going to have to be extremely aggressive for anyone to care.
This is only slightly cheaper than the Kemper Player and it doesn't have any effects outside of Reverb, while ToneX and Kemper do. It also looks like you can't attach it to your computer to update or download profiles, you have to put it on a USB drive and then attach it to the pedal...
Spinedriver
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It comes out to about $890 CDN, which is less than a Helix Stomp but over $350 more than a Tonex. It'll be interesting to see what people will be able to do with it but for that price, it had better be susbtantially better than the lower cost options given the limited eq and literally no other effects other than reverb.
MatrixClaw
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Also something to consider: ToneX Pedal only draws 320mA. This says it needs 500mA, so you might need a beefier PSU. The ToneX comes with a PSU if you don't have one already, this does not.
MatrixClaw
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Only packs from 3rd party sellers that choose to charge for them. I suspect the same would happen with NAM if it hasn't already
Spinedriver
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Yes and no...
There are both free and paid captures for the Tonex.
Also, the 'free' version of Tonex that comes with the Tonex One pedal only allows you to download about 2 dozen captures. Whereas, if you buy the 'big' Tonex pedal new, you get the Tonex Max software included and that gives you unlimited downloads (I think to buy it, it's something like $100 or so), so that kinda increases the value of the pedal slightly.
As for the NAM pedal goes, I do believe that they are all free but I don't know for sure.
Spinedriver
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Exactly. There are a number of Youtubers that have 'packs' for sale that you can only get through Tonex/IK Multimedia.Only packs from 3rd party sellers that choose to charge for them. I suspect the same would happen with NAM if it hasn't already
