Marked Man
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There is a certain percentage of "adult" guitarists who get hot and bothered over original "case candy", which is about as important as the "surprise" in a Happy Meal......
Preventing EMG logo deterioration
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There is a certain percentage of "adult" guitarists who get hot and bothered over original "case candy", which is about as important as the "surprise" in a Happy Meal......
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Yul Brynner
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No way dude. It's totally happening. Once we hype the shit out of the old logo EMGs being so much better and they start selling for idiotic bkp money, EMG will want to start making the old logo again as a vintage reissue.
narad
Progressive metal and politics
I like all the criticism like it's okay to obsess over the grain of the wood in the top or similar, but not okay to obsess over fonts. It's like that apocryphal story:
They are telling this of Lord Beaverbrook and a visiting Yankee actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger [i.e., sleep with a stranger] if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if be paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
Caring about logos is a far degree, but don't pretend you're not whores also.
They are telling this of Lord Beaverbrook and a visiting Yankee actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger [i.e., sleep with a stranger] if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if be paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
Caring about logos is a far degree, but don't pretend you're not whores also.
Trust me, this is one of the more innocent whims out there, and the few on-topic replies are quite informative if you've into guitar electronics geekery. Take it as it is.
As long as i'm not grossly over-paying and it's in good condition, i sometimes go with the older if the current production changed it in ways i don't like. Sometimes you get to actually save money buying used AND have the better product. Not an expert on EMGs, but i know they've undergone changes over the years, and some early 90s versions are quite different to the current chinese production, if you consider they're made in the USA and have a different internal op-amp. Some of us also prefer soldered wire to the shitty molex connectors, and have the skills and knowledge to do it. In this case though, the "old logo" may or may not be purely aesthetic, seeing they introduced it around 2009.
Excruciator
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Whilst elements of this thread are hard to take seriously, that's pretty much the case with online discourse in general as of late. As far as the actual distinction between old and new logo EMG's, it's indeed not as superficial as it sounds. Around 2009, so likely coinciding with the logo change, EMG did change the construction of their pickups, and do use a different op-amp comparatively, as far as I understand.
Old EMG 81 specs (reported):
EMG 81 Bridge
Resonant Frequency: 2250 Hz (2.25 kHz)
Average Output Voltage: 1.25
Maximum Output Voltage: 1.75
Noise: -91 dBV
Output Impedance: 10K Ohm
Current Consumption: 80 Microamps
Battery Life: 3000 hours
Magnet: Ceramic
Current specs (reported):
EMG 81 Bridge
Resonant Frequency: 1630 Hz (1.63 kHz)
Output Voltage (string) : 3
Output Voltage (strum) : 4.5
Noise: -100 dBV
Output Impedance: 10K Ohm
Current Consumption: 400 Microamps
Battery Life: 600 hours
Magnet: Ceramic
Whether most people would perceive any difference in feel or tonality is a different point entirely; should I ever get a more recent 707 or 6 string sized 85 I'll be sure to test, but that is unlikely to happen. As far as the output figures being wildly different, I'd suspect they are just measuring that in a different way now, since such measurements are context dependent, hence the discrepancy. I don't think they got significantly hotter.
Old EMG 81 specs (reported):
EMG 81 Bridge
Resonant Frequency: 2250 Hz (2.25 kHz)
Average Output Voltage: 1.25
Maximum Output Voltage: 1.75
Noise: -91 dBV
Output Impedance: 10K Ohm
Current Consumption: 80 Microamps
Battery Life: 3000 hours
Magnet: Ceramic
Current specs (reported):
EMG 81 Bridge
Resonant Frequency: 1630 Hz (1.63 kHz)
Output Voltage (string) : 3
Output Voltage (strum) : 4.5
Noise: -100 dBV
Output Impedance: 10K Ohm
Current Consumption: 400 Microamps
Battery Life: 600 hours
Magnet: Ceramic
Whether most people would perceive any difference in feel or tonality is a different point entirely; should I ever get a more recent 707 or 6 string sized 85 I'll be sure to test, but that is unlikely to happen. As far as the output figures being wildly different, I'd suspect they are just measuring that in a different way now, since such measurements are context dependent, hence the discrepancy. I don't think they got significantly hotter.
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Excruciator
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Just an addendum: It seems the old op-amp went out of production around 2016/17, so it could be later than 2009. That's not to say they didn't make changes around then, it's not exactly easy or cheap to check and I have no plans to try. However, for those who care, the old logo being a reliable signifier of the old configuration still stands, assuming you can spot the fakes, of course.
Spaced Out Ace
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Output voltage, I believe, refers more to headroom from the voltage, such as 9v vs 18v. The X series readings are about double.
spudmunkey
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Enthusiasts of anything will find a way to agonize over minutiae. Nerds gonna nerd (which I mean as a term of endearment, not insult).
Excruciator
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The headroom and input voltage are definitely correlated, with headroom diminishing as the battery loses power past a certain point. If these measurements were purely about headroom though, it doesn't make sense then to differentiate between single string and strum in this context; the headroom is the headroom, regardless of how many strings you hit. Nor does it seem to make sense that the X series have a higher reading, since, as I understand it, they manufacture extra headroom purely by lowering the gain in the preamp quite significantly, and have a lower output in general. Even with passives, output measurements offered to the public are heavily context dependent and very limited as metrics, there's even more confounding factors with actives and unfortunately we're provided with zero context (as per).
I suspect old and new "output" fields are both some form of output metrics, as their names suggest, just performed under different circumstances. For example, the output leaving the pickup and the output of the signal that leaves the guitar are very different. You could use either as an "output" metric. The cynic in me suspects it may be listed to appeal to enjoyers of "pickup top trumps", to allow comparison to the Dimarzio numbers. In this instance, I pretty much just ignore these fields, I just thought it was worthwhile to say, so people don't think the new ones are insanely hot compared to the old, or that the current emg-81 is 9 times hotter than an x2n.
More interesting to me is the shift in resonant frequency, the improvement in noise and the huge change in current draw which all signify there are significant differences, potentially quite perceptible ones.
Yul Brynner
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Go to 13:04, even Ola thinks old EMGs sound better
Boom. Now we just need the periphery guys on board.
Marked Man
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Then it's time to start talking about which batteries give the most soulful toan.....
HeHasTheJazzHands
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9v Battery Designed to Optimize Your Pedal Performance
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Yul Brynner
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Eric Johnson has already been studying it.
lewis
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Theyre still trying to find their batteries for their flashlights bro - let alone for some EMGs
Spaced Out Ace
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9v Battery Designed to Optimize Your Pedal Performance
Yul Brynner
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HeHasTheJazzHands
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Marked Man
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Interesting, but I'm gonna need a Zakk Wylde endorsement first.
