isispelican
Well-Known Member
Hope they manage to get out of this
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Some of you guys are gullible AS FUCK
Why on earth are you holding out for guitars? Any of you in the EU need to be lawyering up and sending letters ASAP. If RAN are going to be selling assets, issuing refunds, or handing out partially completed guitars, you want to be in the priority. It's virtually guaranteed that there won't be enough cash in the business to pay back everybody.
Just from those two conversations - the shop is gone, their luthiers have gone, and the owner is apparently sick. That means RAN is gone.
If they don't have money to give back deposits, they quite likely don't have money to hire (and train) new people. This dangling of future hope is exactly how you will end up losing your money and never seeing a guitar.
My advice is, try to secure your money back now. If they do actually get up and running again, and you're really desperate for a RAN, you can put another deposit then.
Only a fool would leave money in a dysfunctional business with no premises, no employees and this shoddy communication with customers.
Some of you guys are gullible AS FUCK
Why on earth are you holding out for guitars? Any of you in the EU need to be lawyering up and sending letters ASAP. If RAN are going to be selling assets, issuing refunds, or handing out partially completed guitars, you want to be in the priority. It's virtually guaranteed that there won't be enough cash in the business to pay back everybody.
Just from those two conversations - the shop is gone, their luthiers have gone, and the owner is apparently sick. That means RAN is gone.
If they don't have money to give back deposits, they quite likely don't have money to hire (and train) new people. This dangling of future hope is exactly how you will end up losing your money and never seeing a guitar.
My advice is, try to secure your money back now. If they do actually get up and running again, and you're really desperate for a RAN, you can put another deposit then.
Only a fool would leave money in a dysfunctional business with no premises, no employees and this shoddy communication with customers.
Man, these small luthiers really need Obamacare.
Some of you guys are gullible AS FUCK
They have public healthcare in Poland, no excuses!
I hope they manage to turn this around, the guitars were never really my style but they were clearly well built and loved.
Some of you guys are gullible AS FUCK
Why on earth are you holding out for guitars? Any of you in the EU need to be lawyering up and sending letters ASAP. If RAN are going to be selling assets, issuing refunds, or handing out partially completed guitars, you want to be in the priority. It's virtually guaranteed that there won't be enough cash in the business to pay back everybody.
Just from those two conversations - the shop is gone, their luthiers have gone, and the owner is apparently sick. That means RAN is gone.
If they don't have money to give back deposits, they quite likely don't have money to hire (and train) new people. This dangling of future hope is exactly how you will end up losing your money and never seeing a guitar.
My advice is, try to secure your money back now. If they do actually get up and running again, and you're really desperate for a RAN, you can put another deposit then.
Only a fool would leave money in a dysfunctional business with no premises, no employees and this shoddy communication with customers.
Psssht... I ain't buying no commie guitars then!
(j/k love my two Mayones... Mayonii? Whatever...)
Some of you guys are gullible AS FUCK
Why on earth are you holding out for guitars? Any of you in the EU need to be lawyering up and sending letters ASAP. If RAN are going to be selling assets, issuing refunds, or handing out partially completed guitars, you want to be in the priority. It's virtually guaranteed that there won't be enough cash in the business to pay back everybody.
Maybe the owners took the money and ran???
How long did it take for you to come up with that one?They def took the money and RAN.
How long did it take for you to come up with that one?
What would you suggest? going from your country "in Europe" to Poland and kick some ass?
Likelihood of taking internet dudes advice -95%
Yea, let me notify my legal staff who I, of course, have on retainer, to get back my $600 deposit from luthier in an overseas country*. It's not about being gullible -- these are simply difficult situations. We all know there is some inherent risk in ordering from far away places, but usually the price is a bit better, or the wait times are shorter, but when something goes wrong there's really no good or responsible solution to these things.
It unfortunately winds up being one of these unfortunate in-between situations where it's not really enough money to warrant getting back through legal action, and more money than anyone really wants to chalk up as a loss. I mean, even when I had previous situations with much larger amounts ($2-3k) in with another shady ex-soviet circle luthier, and consulted lawyers about it, I really couldn't make any headway. It's probably only because he was seeking immigration into the US that I had any effective leverage.
*I don't actually have a RAN deposit.
If you are in Europe, then a simple letter from a lawyer is likely to make you a priority when it comes to getting anything back from the remnants of the company. I say "in Europe" because threats from overseas are too difficult to enforce. Within Europe, there are lots of customer protection laws for situations like this.
When it comes to dissolving a company (in the UK at least, I assume Poland is similar), there is some hierarchy about who gets what first. Bank loans will tend to get repaid because their contracts are so tight. But once everything is liquidised, there may be a pool of money left for customers and suppliers to whom the company owes money. My point is simply that you might want to try and get yourself to the top of that list, if you care about getting the money back.
That's fine.
The "gullibility" relates to optimistic comments about waiting for them to get back on their feet etc. Based on them having legal troubles, no premises, no workers, and the owner being sick - the chance of them getting back on their feet is slim.
I realise you're being facetious, but you don't need "legal staff" to send a simple letter. And I assume there are people who have sunk more than $600 deposits in.
I think I was clear in my original post - I don't think that anybody will be able to successfully take legal action, win, and get money back. But when RAN are "making a list" of customers and deciding who gets what, the noisy people will be served first and the optimistic people hanging on will get ignored.
I think it's gullible to think they're putting together some list of whose naughty and nice and will reward some and not others based on things like strongly worded letters from lawyers that mean absolutely nothing.
*Credibility for their customers. The blatant design infringement they used to pull is another matter entirely. Given that the company was pretty much built on a foundation of IP theft, there is a certain karmic justice to them being screwed out of said business by third party fuckery themselves.